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The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by conartist6 »

JimDabell wrote: post #406
dreamcompiler wrote: post #365

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> So much this, when you see Zuck or even Jensen Huang saying "software engineers won't be needed anymore" and being excited about it you get pissed off as a software engineer lol. The real story nobody is saying out loud is that CEOs are much more replaceable by AI than are software engineers.

CEO is the one job role that AI can’t take because AI lacks accountability. Who is the person using the AI that will get blamed by the board if they screw up? That’s the CEO, even if you decide to give them a different title.

CEOs also lack real accountability though. Every time something goes really wrong they claim that they have no responsibility because people below them caused the problems.

How the F do you square that circle? If you're at the top you either are responsible or you aren't.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by conartist6 »

eddythompson80 wrote: post #388
dreamcompiler wrote: post #365

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> So much this, when you see Zuck or even Jensen Huang saying "software engineers won't be needed anymore" and being excited about it you get pissed off as a software engineer lol. The real story nobody is saying out loud is that CEOs are much more replaceable by AI than are software engineers.

> The real story nobody is saying out loud is that CEOs are much more replaceable by AI than are software engineers. Sorry, but that’s not true at all. It doesn’t really make a lot of sense. Who is replacing the CEO of a company with AI? The board? The board doesn’t want/can’t run the company. They will hire someone to “run the CEO AI”? Won’t that just be a CEO using AI? Maybe that makes it so the CEO is paid less Be…

Lets say that CEOs are no more or less replaceable with AI than all the other jobs.

Throwing away all the humans to replace them with AIs is a move only an AI CEO would make, because and AI couldn't give less of a shit if something it does blows up in its face. Well, apparently real CEOs couldn't care less either. Imagining you're going to run a successful software organization (once you've hollowed out the people who both understand the work and actually give a shit about it) is insane. These people know that it will blow up, but they hope that it is only after they can rake in their bonus pay for the mounds of short term profits that result form layoffs, after which they'll float away under their golden parachutes leaving their former companies to collapse under the weight of institutionalized incompetence.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by n4r9 »

re-thc wrote: post #435
JimDabell wrote: post #406

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CEO is the one job role that AI can’t take because AI lacks accountability. Who is the person using the AI that will get blamed by the board if they screw up? That’s the CEO, even if you decide to give them a different title.

> Who is the person using the AI that will get blamed by the board if they screw up? The AI will get blamed and they can switch from OpenAI to Claude to something else.

Yeah, the accountability argument doesn't make sense to me from a practical viewpoint. The benefit of accountability is that it provides a path to avoiding repeated errors. There are other ways to achieve this using software tools.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by ogogmad »

edm0nd wrote: post #317
Fr0styMatt88 wrote: post #248

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So much this, when you see Zuck or even Jensen Huang saying "software engineers won't be needed anymore" and being excited about it you get pissed off as a software engineer lol. I feel like Microsoft's whole thing with Windows 11 has been "just force the users to do what we want them to do, we know better than they do" so it doesn't surprise me that 365 went the same way. I'm saying this and I'm a person that's usua…

>I feel like Microsoft's whole thing with Windows 11 has been "just force the users to do what we want them to do, we know better than they do" My biggest gripe about Win11 is they stole from us the ability to move the task bar. It can ONLY be pinned to the bottom of the screen now. For the longest time, I was a top of the screen taskbar user. From what I've read, they have no plans to implement or change this "featu…

This seems extremely niche. Maybe even petty? Why do you care where the taskbar is? Remember that every change breaks someone's workflow: https://xkcd.com/1172/

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by Kinrany »

ogogmad wrote: post #454
edm0nd wrote: post #317

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>I feel like Microsoft's whole thing with Windows 11 has been "just force the users to do what we want them to do, we know better than they do" My biggest gripe about Win11 is they stole from us the ability to move the task bar. It can ONLY be pinned to the bottom of the screen now. For the longest time, I was a top of the screen taskbar user. From what I've read, they have no plans to implement or change this "featu…

This seems extremely niche. Maybe even petty? Why do you care where the taskbar is? Remember that every change breaks someone's workflow : https://xkcd.com/1172/

Because they're used to it being in a different place?

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by Yossarrian22 »

mrweasel wrote: post #397
Spooky23 wrote: post #279

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Microsoft Series X Copilot for Business E3 with Copilot

The sad part is that that name doesn't feel like that much of a stretch for Microsoft. I wouldn't put it past them to end up with two products called Copilot.

You mean like GitHub Copilot and Microsoft 365 Copilot?

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by ogogmad »

Kinrany wrote: post #455
ogogmad wrote: post #454

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This seems extremely niche. Maybe even petty? Why do you care where the taskbar is? Remember that every change breaks someone's workflow : https://xkcd.com/1172/

Because they're used to it being in a different place?

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Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by mrbungie »

ctm92 wrote: post #294

Microsoft making questionable decisions lately, the official RDP client on Mac was renamed to "Windows App" some weeks ago. It's hard to come up with a worse name, Windows App is what I name any software product that runs natively on Windows. RIP all the helpdesk employees who have to explain this to end users

I'm not sure if it has to do with the UI redesign and renaming, but I don't feel the new app is as reliable as before. My RDP connections now fail all the time.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by chikere232 »

Toutouxc wrote: post #86

I understand people who love Apple (or the OSS world) unconditionally and I understand people who hate either, but I find it hard to feel any kind of strong emotion towards Microsoft. Feels like there isn’t a single product person left in the company, no vision, no direction, no soul, no plan, nothing.

I find them easy to hate as I only use their products when I work for some company that has made the mistake of standardising on them.

If you don't hate microsoft after a few months of working remotely using Teams, Outlook etc, I'll be pretty impressed

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