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The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #51
Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly understandable? Every time someone tells me on Teams about "the file they shared last week", I struggle to find out if I need to go to Onedrive, SharePoint, the Teams channel "files", the Teams channel "documents", etc. It's the most confusing piece of software I'm forced to use...

Teams is the most loathsome piece of collaboration software I have ever used. When it comes to finding basic things, the UX is so far from intuitive that it makes you wonder if they're just trolling us with these awful designs. I remember being excited about a Slack competitor when it first came out, but the same issues it had back then still exist to this day. I wish they would just pull the plug on that piece of cr…

I don't like Teams, but personal preference aside, I hate how in most companies I've worked at, there's multiple communications channels. 365 should be a one stop solution for this, emails, calendars, meetings, files, and chat, but in practice a lot of IT organizations also use Slack alongside it. Where I work now there's a split between IT and the rest because the rest uses Teams while IT uses Slack, causing the barrier between the two to increase, especially since designers - who should work closely with development - are on the Teams side of the fence.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by gloosx »

freehorse wrote: post #400
cudgy wrote: post #343

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Maybe in the future send an email with just a few simple words and phrases that then gets expanded by LLMs on the receiver end. A weird future awaits.

I hope it does not involve typing on a keyboard. Typing on a keyboard is so millennial, and holds back innovation, such as everybody solely using touchscreens in closed walled gardens. I hope the future is an llm that has access to all the context of our lives and then presents 4-5 such different keywords, and you just tap on the ones you want to use for the email. Once the llm is sufficiently trained, the last step…

Typing is a powerful mental exercise, with each keystroke contributing to improved memory, language development, cognitive adaptability, and concentration – all of which essentially breeds innovation.

The future you described is a wild kind of dystopia.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by roboyoshi »

gloosx wrote: post #432

Day 1357 watching Microsoft not give a fuck about their customers, thankfully I was not brainwashed into being their product from the childhood.

So you are using Google or what? I feel like in Enterprise Environments you don't have much choice between bad and worse.

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Post by re-thc »

JimDabell wrote: post #406
dreamcompiler wrote: post #365

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> So much this, when you see Zuck or even Jensen Huang saying "software engineers won't be needed anymore" and being excited about it you get pissed off as a software engineer lol. The real story nobody is saying out loud is that CEOs are much more replaceable by AI than are software engineers.

CEO is the one job role that AI can’t take because AI lacks accountability. Who is the person using the AI that will get blamed by the board if they screw up? That’s the CEO, even if you decide to give them a different title.

> Who is the person using the AI that will get blamed by the board if they screw up?

The AI will get blamed and they can switch from OpenAI to Claude to something else.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by re-thc »

eddythompson80 wrote: post #388
dreamcompiler wrote: post #365

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> So much this, when you see Zuck or even Jensen Huang saying "software engineers won't be needed anymore" and being excited about it you get pissed off as a software engineer lol. The real story nobody is saying out loud is that CEOs are much more replaceable by AI than are software engineers.

> The real story nobody is saying out loud is that CEOs are much more replaceable by AI than are software engineers. Sorry, but that’s not true at all. It doesn’t really make a lot of sense. Who is replacing the CEO of a company with AI? The board? The board doesn’t want/can’t run the company. They will hire someone to “run the CEO AI”? Won’t that just be a CEO using AI? Maybe that makes it so the CEO is paid less Be…

> You still need a face of it at the end of the day.

Wasn't that the whole point of AI generated images / video?

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by rstuart4133 »

rkagerer wrote: post #267
ozim wrote: post #114

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Why not LibreOffice?

Last time I tried it (maybe 20 years ago?) there were fidelity issues (documents didn't display exactly identical to authentic Word), and some differences in minor features. I should probably give it another whirl, although I'm really happy with 2003.

The fidelity issues are still there if you are loading Microsoft formats into LO. All the Microsoft format specificions are a insanely long, complex messes that even Microsoft doesn't follow, so I suspect that will always be so. But Office now read/writes ODF files, so you can ask it to convert into something LO is the authority on. That also means you can send an office user an ODF file, and expect it to be displayed sensibly.

So the friction is still there, but it's a lot less now.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by gloosx »

roboyoshi wrote: post #434
gloosx wrote: post #432

Day 1357 watching Microsoft not give a fuck about their customers, thankfully I was not brainwashed into being their product from the childhood.

So you are using Google or what? I feel like in Enterprise Environments you don't have much choice between bad and worse.

I can't really fully understand what "Microsoft 365" stands for. Microsoft years in day? Microsoft all year? hard to understand. Sounds like some kind of new super-term for their Office products. In that case, LibreOffice works absolutely fine inside my company. Element works alright for secure e2ee messaging. For storage and document collaboration we are using a self-hosted Nextcloud cluster. All of these solutions are free and have no upfront fee, but they have some maintenance costs of course, yet I think they are magnitudes lower that M$ could scam us for. The AI tooling you can definitely integrate in the workflow yourself if you need them (we don't). As non-us company inside security field, we have little trust towards microsoft to store the sensitive data on their cloud services, and generally the amount of measures taken against corporate espionage is higher – communications are taken through verified and trusted e2ee mediums, and it's common to host enterprise infrastructure on-premises – it's totally realistic to have your company data and communications never leave your virtual private network, and it's a good practice to do so in my opinion.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by RegW »

Currently next to the send button in one of my Teams chats are the suggested responses: "I look forward to it", "Haha, no problem" and "Haha, I know".

I assume some sort of AI is involved, but I not sure who would ever want to say such things, and my great fear is that one day my motor skills will let me down and I click one of these inane buttons.

I've sent the suggestion (many times) that they put in an option to let me turn this off, but they obviously haven't got around to this one yet. So I don't think that we can expect the opt-out options suggested by the article any time soon.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by aragilar »

rswail wrote: post #386

I'm in Australia and didn't get the automatic option to "downgrade" to what I already had. I got on the online chat and they were able to do it. Took an hour of them faffing around to get it to happen.

Report it to the ACCC as well, the more complaints they get the more likely they'll take up the issue.
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