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Render raises $80M in Series C financing

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Re: Render raises $80M in Series C financing

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Post by RainyDayTmrw »

ignoramous wrote: post #24
netswift wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really love Render. AWS is too low level for me. Render helps us spin up new applications in a few clicks. Kind of like Vercel for backend. Might just be a skill issue but I can definitely see the value from using the product.

> AWS is too low level for me We had good success with Lightsail; but then moved to Fly.io & the Cloudflare platform and spend ~zero time on sre & devops.

I'm curious what you use for a database on Fly.io. When I last looked into it, a proper managed database option was the last thing that they were missing from what I wanted.

Re: Render raises $80M in Series C financing

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Post by scirob »

anurag wrote: post #18

(I'm Render's founder) What should we build next, HN?

Why not compete a bit with Supabase its all opensource outside the OAuth integration I'm sure you can code it fast. I love the workflow of coding frontend and just changing the database as I am thinking of what data model i need and then https://docs.postgrest.org/en/v12/ automatically changes the API. (One could also say firebase competition but I highly prefer the postgres oriented supabase strategy)

Re: Render raises $80M in Series C financing

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Post by Sytten »

anurag wrote: post #18

(I'm Render's founder) What should we build next, HN?

Honestly as a long term customer please polish what you have. By that I mean:

- Teams are still the only proper way to segment environments and access control. Yet you charge team member, I am still mad about that because even after 1+ year we need to use multiple teams.

- Metrics are still locked to your platform, I want to use my telemetry provider because you guys dont have alerts, dashboard creation, etc.

- Control over the subnets, we use tailscale to give access to private services right now its all 10.205.X.X and we dont control it

- Allow us to turn off cloudflare. You said during last outage that being reliant on cloudflare was an issue and we are yet 1+ later without progress.

I could go on. I do like the product and simplicity but it is lacking control when you actually outgrow the "get it out the door fast" phase. I am not even sure one could pass an ISO27001 by being on Render.

Re: Render raises $80M in Series C financing

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Post by tonyhart7 »

sebmellen wrote: post #5

What differentiates Render from Railway and Fly.io?

I use railway but have experience on both render and fly io (not to a degree of railway, so take it as grain of salt)

just an UI??? for the most part like deploy postgress, deploy Go webserver etc like 80% of the work is SAME, they don't have moat

Re: Render raises $80M in Series C financing

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Post by verdverm »

anurag wrote: post #40
verdverm wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also means that when an application reaches a certain maturity or complexity, they have to leave platforms like Render to clouds where they can do the things they need to operate with efficiency. There is a tradeoff point. Platforms like Render are small team efficient, clouds are organization efficient

This is the narrative we disagree with most people on and are focused on disproving: multiple unicorns have started and stayed on Render, and our platform continues to add capabilities as their needs become more complex.

Exceptions to the rule (some unicorns, a crude measure for tech needs) do not break the rule. If anything, the trend is shifting back to self-hosting instead of running on any vendor.

If you add the same capabilities you end up becoming the cloud provider concept you wish to "disprove", and I would posit that feature creep reinforces the concept

Re: Render raises $80M in Series C financing

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Post by jacobsenscott »

verdverm wrote: post #32
anurag wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to improve our product marketing! Render focuses exclusively on application engineers who need to run things in the cloud without worrying about devops; this also means we don't focus on the needs of devops engineers.

It also means that when an application reaches a certain maturity or complexity, they have to leave platforms like Render to clouds where they can do the things they need to operate with efficiency. There is a tradeoff point. Platforms like Render are small team efficient, clouds are organization efficient

A lot of apps never grow to that size, and can run on services like render or heroku forever, saving millions of dollars in devops cost (the most expensive part of devops is the devops engineer).

A good number of companies out there move to google scale infrastructure and spin up whole devops teams when they would be fine without all that out of fear of having to move later. That later might never come.

Re: Render raises $80M in Series C financing

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Post by jacobsenscott »

pm90 wrote: post #6

Is this a better heroku? My experience is that anything outside of the standard process for deploying apps is actively frowned upon by everyone except startups that need to move extremely quickly to create PoCs. So unless this platform is much much cheaper than the public clouds it seems like a limited market.

As a long time heroku user, I'll never go back to heroku. They've been working on wild card ssl for years and can't get it done. I finally hacked it into our app with about 100 lines of ruby. They are literally doing nothing but keeping the lights on until the last customer drops off.
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