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Ask HN: How to learn AI from first principles?

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A variant of this question seems to get asked every 6 mo. but so far, I haven't seen this question tackled directly: If I want to learn the concepts and fundamentals of AI from first principles, what educational resources should I use?

I'm not interested in hands-on guides (eg. how to train a DNN classifier in TensorFlow) or LLM-centric resources.

So far, I've put together the following curriculum:

1 Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach (https://aima.cs.berkeley.edu/) - Great for learning the breadth of foundational concepts, eg. local search algorithms, building up to modern AI.

2 Probabilistic Machine Learning: An Introduction (https://probml.github.io/pml-book/book1.html) - Going more in-depth into ML.

3 Dive into Deep Learning (https://d2l.ai/) - Going deep into DL, including contemporary ideas like Transformers and Diffusion models.

4. Neural networks and Deep Learning (http://neuralnetworksanddeeplearning.com/) could also be a great resource but the content probably overlaps significantly with 3.

Would anybody add/update/remove anything? (Don't have to limit recommendations to textbooks. Also open to courses, papers, etc.)

Sorry for the semi-redundant post.

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I really enjoyed the concepts in "Artificial Intelligence, a Modern Approach" which really grounds a first-principles foundation of automated reasoning. Warning: The first 80% of the book doesn't have any sexy new deep learning approaches, but I still think it is very valuable to see the history.

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post #3

I really enjoyed the concepts in "Artificial Intelligence, a Modern Approach" which really grounds a first-principles foundation of automated reasoning. Warning: The first 80% of the book doesn't have any sexy new deep learning approaches, but I still think it is very valuable to see the history.

+1, I'm a few chapters in and its highly instructive. Gives me a deeper appreciation for the modern deep learning regime. Also, as we enter the agent supercycle, I think many of the basic algorithms for search, planning, etc. will make comeback a in a huge way.

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The question depends what you mean by first principles. Usage of the phrase "first principles" has sprawled into many different things since (I think) Musk first mentioned it as a way to learn. The original, philosophical meaning of first principles meant a fundamental truth which could be used to derive others. Much of the philosophising of thinkers like Aristotle or Descartes was to uncover these truths (eg I think, therefore I am). In physics and other sciences, it means calculations using established laws, rather than approximations or assumptions. Then it got borrowed into certain circles of the tech crowd with the vague meaning of thinking about what's important or true and ignoring the rest. Then it trickled down into the learning/self help world as a hack of some sort to learn. If we take the original meaning of first principles, there aren't a great deal of absolute truths in machine learning. It is a very empirical, approximated and engineering oriented endeavor. Most of the research involves thinking of a new approach, building it and trying it on new datasets.

The other big question is why you want to learn it. If you want to learn ML in itself, than anything including the search algorithms (which used to be considered core to ML a long time ago) you mentioned is part of that. But if you want to learn ML to contribute to modern developments like LLMs, then search algorithms are virtually useless. If you aren't going to be engineering any ML or ML products, what you want is to gain some insight into it's future and the business of it. So learning things like transformer architecture is going to be far more unhelpful than say, reading about the economics of compute clusters.

Given the empirical/engineering quality of current ML, I'd say building it from scratch is really good for getting the handful of possible first principles (the fundamental functions involved, data cleaning, training, etc)

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The following is not a take that will get you a job or teach you precisely how LLMs work, because you can look that up yourself. However, it may inspire you and you may create something that has a better-than-lottery-ticket chance of being an improvement over the AI status quo:

Without reading about how it's done now, just think about how you think a neural network should function. It ostensibly has input, output, and something in the middle. Maybe its input is a 64x64 pixel handwritten character, and its output is a unicode number. In between the input pixels (a 64x64 array) and the output, are a bunch of neurons. Layers of neurons. That talk to each other and learn or un-learn (are rewarded or punished).

Build that. Build a cube where one side is a pixel grid and the other side delivers a number. Decide how the neurons influence each other and how they train their weights to deliver the result at the other end. However you think it should go. Just raw code it with arrays in whatever dimensions you want and make it work; you can do it in Javascript or BASIC. link them however you want. Don't worry about performance, because you can assume that whatever marginally works can be tested on a massive scale and show "impressive" results.

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post #5

The question depends what you mean by first principles. Usage of the phrase "first principles" has sprawled into many different things since (I think) Musk first mentioned it as a way to learn. The original, philosophical meaning of first principles meant a fundamental truth which could be used to derive others. Much of the philosophising of thinkers like Aristotle or Descartes was to uncover these truths (eg I think…

> Usage of the phrase "first principles" has sprawled into many different things since (I think) Musk first mentioned it as a way to learn

In pop culture in 2010+ sure, but he was essentially parroting Feynman IIRC.

"How to learn AI from first principles?"

Start with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zermelo%E2%80%93Fraenkel_set_t... and eventually you'll get to AI, exercise left to the reader ;)

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post #6

The following is not a take that will get you a job or teach you precisely how LLMs work, because you can look that up yourself. However, it may inspire you and you may create something that has a better-than-lottery-ticket chance of being an improvement over the AI status quo: Without reading about how it's done now, just think about how you think a neural network should function. It ostensibly has input, output, an…

Interesting idea. I like it.

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post #5

The question depends what you mean by first principles. Usage of the phrase "first principles" has sprawled into many different things since (I think) Musk first mentioned it as a way to learn. The original, philosophical meaning of first principles meant a fundamental truth which could be used to derive others. Much of the philosophising of thinkers like Aristotle or Descartes was to uncover these truths (eg I think…

Ya, the phrase "first principles" is vague...I meant starting from an axiomatic and actionable definition of AI and learning from there. The first chapter of AIMA does a swell job of enumerating different definitions of and then explicitly declaring which one is used and the foundational premises for the concepts and methods to follow. And it doesn't define AI then jump to neural networks, it gradually layers more atomic concepts, like agents (which I know, have been bastardized) and environments, until it gets to machine learning.

> The other big question is why you want to learn it.

Good question. I'm just looking for a wider context to understand contemporary AI. I don't know if this serves any practical purpose but I'm someone who likes to understand the "why" behind everything and starting from "first principles" helps uncover that.

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