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CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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Re: CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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post #18

Wasn't this one of those "forbidden" conspiracy theories, censored from most social media, while most people (here too) cheered for "fighting misinformation" with censorship?

Saying COVID-19 leaked from a lab with zero evidence is different than waiting for evidence and then saying it leaked from a lab.

But we can say it leaked from wet market without evidence!

Re: CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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Wasn't this one of those "forbidden" conspiracy theories, censored from most social media, while most people (here too) cheered for "fighting misinformation" with censorship?

I think the issue falls into the problem of getting reliable information out of China.

Because of a lack of access and free speech it's hard to get verifiable evidence to it's origin being from a lab leak or a market in either direction.

Unfortunately, because of that lack of access mistrust and conspiracy theories spread like wild fires.

It's important with science to understand that there is what happened or what is observed and to separate that away from wishful thinking or feelings.

Re: CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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post #18

Wasn't this one of those "forbidden" conspiracy theories, censored from most social media, while most people (here too) cheered for "fighting misinformation" with censorship?

Saying COVID-19 leaked from a lab with zero evidence is different than waiting for evidence and then saying it leaked from a lab.

Censoring views that it came from a lab leak with zero evidence isn't any better. In fact I remember being lied to by major news outlets at the time saying that the evidence points to a non lab origin.

Re: CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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Wasn't this one of those "forbidden" conspiracy theories, censored from most social media, while most people (here too) cheered for "fighting misinformation" with censorship?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/11/us/politics/covid-lab-lea... and https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/27/media/covid-19-origins-lab-le...

In short a few prominent people claimed it was racist to suggest that China's research or wet market contributed to the origins of COVID. They were mistaken but with the highly politicized environment, it helped distort opinions at a critical time. The claims of racism have since been demonstrated to be at least partly false (that is, there is a legitimate case to be made that China's researchers or wet market did contribute to the origin of COVID, and that China's leadership hid most of the evidence that would be used to make a case).

Re: CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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Wasn't this one of those "forbidden" conspiracy theories, censored from most social media, while most people (here too) cheered for "fighting misinformation" with censorship?

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Trump (and Elon) are actually fairly pro-China. Or at least, Trump and Xi have a good relationship (and Trump was quoted last month as believing the US and China can solve many problems together), and Elon loves China.

Re: CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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post #23
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying COVID-19 leaked from a lab with zero evidence is different than waiting for evidence and then saying it leaked from a lab.

Censoring views that it came from a lab leak with zero evidence isn't any better. In fact I remember being lied to by major news outlets at the time saying that the evidence points to a non lab origin.

It did though. Animal origin only stopped being the most favored explanation because we haven't found the link in 5 years.

Re: CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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I had a pretty long post about this here before, due to the politicization of the issue it is highly unlikely any of us will ever know “the truth” without a surprise smoking gun. There are good reasons to believe the natural or the lab leak hypotheses.

I think you have to accept it is now unlikely we normies will ever know the truth.

The post, and its comments, are worth reading still IMO: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26750452#26751943

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