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To make electricity cheaper and greener, connect the world's grids

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Re: To make electricity cheaper and greener, connect the world's grids

#61

An idea that looks good on paper but can be disastrous in reality. Interconnected systems increase exposure to cyber threats.

Cyber security is a huge concern irregardless of if the grids are national or international.

IMO the novel challenges are:

(1) too many borders with too many opportunities for corruption

(2) Coronal mass ejections become an even bigger issue than already (impact goes from regional to global)

(3) Literally only China is making enough aluminium for this, and nobody's making enough copper or superconductor

Re: To make electricity cheaper and greener, connect the world's grids

#62
With an intercontinental power grid, the sun is always shining.

Of course, The Economist isn't worried about that, they really only care about how they can make money from it.

But for a technologist, there's always that messy real world to deal with. And for solar power, that reality is night. A world wide power grid could be constantly transmitting power to the dark side.

Re: To make electricity cheaper and greener, connect the world's grids

#63
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Its physicaly impossible to span the pacific and atlantic oceans There are already plans to connect North America and Europe with an undersea power cable. https://www.offshore-energy.biz/worlds-most-ambitious-subsea...

This is never going to be viable. Even existing short undersea cables are difficult (impossible?) to protect from sabotage, let alone one that would span an ocean.

Longer cables need to be thicker if you want resistance to be fixed.

If you want 1Ω then by coincidence a 40,000 km cable has a cross section of almost exactly one square meter. If you're putting a significant fraction of global power through that at any sane voltage, you can't use most cutting tools (or indeed electrical motors) near it because the magnetic field is too strong.

China is making enough aluminium that this is a plausible thing they may do as a "belt and road" type project.

Re: To make electricity cheaper and greener, connect the world's grids

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post #22

Connecting the world sounds pretty utopian when the broader interconnectivity, like trade, that we do have is fraying at the edges and starting to crumble.

the checks and balances will eventually be deregulated and forgotten.

Re: To make electricity cheaper and greener, connect the world's grids

#67

Does anyone remember the 2003 blackout [0] that left 55 million people in 2 countries without power for up to 3 days? With a worldwide grid we could make one a hundred times larger. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_2003

This not a necessary outcome of connected grids though. Technology has advanced a lot in the past two decades.

Has it?

https://arstechnica.com/security/2025/01/could-hackers-use-n...

Re: To make electricity cheaper and greener, connect the world's grids

#69
I cannot help but wonder what the answers are to these points:

> Norwegians are forgetting that domestically produced power is not always cheaper. Whenever the current in the cables flows towards them, it helps reduce high prices.

Norway could add some diodes to the cables so that it only imports and does not export.

> And even though Norway exports more power than it imports, that is fantastic for domestic energy producers. Norway’s state-owned power firms have been raking it in, which is one of the reasons the government can afford to subsidise household prices.

Wholesale prices would plummet if this energy had nowhere to go. Getting wholesale prices down seems to be the goal here, so why not keep the energy trapped and let the wholesale prices drop? If they wholesale prices drop, you would expect that to help pay for lower household prices.

These are not my actual views. I just feel that the articles' author did not address these points, so I decided to raise them here.

Re: To make electricity cheaper and greener, connect the world's grids

#70
post #69

I cannot help but wonder what the answers are to these points: > Norwegians are forgetting that domestically produced power is not always cheaper. Whenever the current in the cables flows towards them, it helps reduce high prices. Norway could add some diodes to the cables so that it only imports and does not export. > And even though Norway exports more power than it imports, that is fantastic for domestic energy pr…

> Norway could add some diodes to the cables so that it only imports and does not export.

Does norway really transfer power via DC? that can't be true can it?

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