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Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by numpad0 »

oluckyman wrote: post #205
azeirah wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sexual attraction is fundamentally based in biology. Trans people are part of biology. It's what happens when you are exposed to cross-sex hormones. Personally, I tend to view (my own) transition as embracing an intersex condition with medical intervention.

But many trans women have no hormonal or surgical interventions at all. Are you implying that cis lesbians are not attracted to them?

if attraction not biological how one get attracted to another? by being educated that humans generally do? there's nothing ruling out biology in that

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by jncfhnb »

azeirah wrote: post #149
asdf6969 wrote: post #21

What’s wrong with Grindr, the biggest app for queer and trans people to meet?

My personal experience as a trans woman? The space is full of men who want to have sex with trans women, while most of these trans women are interested only in people similar to themselves. IE, queer, non binary, trans. And you get spammed dickpicks by the hundreds. Even if you explicitly say "I DON'T WANT DICKPICKS AND I WILL REPORT YOU IF YOU SEND ME A DICKPICK" and then you receive a dickpick? And point to the rep…

> most of these trans women are interested only in people similar to themselves. IE, queer, non binary, trans

That sounds kind of odd to me. I don’t have any experience or insight to people’s experiences here but I would assume that most trans people are trans because they want to be the opposite sex, not because they want to be trans specifically. This statement here suggests they’re identifying as trans more so than the gender they’re transitioning to.

Where am I mistaken?

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by jajko »

wcerfgba wrote: post #290

Last year I managed to connect with 10 other trans people in my Lancashire home town. This is a place with zero 'alternative' spaces, let alone dedicated queer spaces. I made a poster using the trans pride flag as the background, and wrote a bit of blurb on it and put an email address on. Then I stuck it up on community notice boards in supermarkets and in a pub window. My idea was that if you put these things in hig…

This would be too risky IMHO ie in eastern Europe (I don't mean sh*thole of russia where this is even much worse, just eastern EU).

The general attitude is less tolerant. Most people in general population of course have 'live and let live' attitude, but small part of each country does actively attack such people, ie skinheads or other far right groups.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by nicbou »

0xEF wrote: post #293
southernplaces7 wrote: post #284

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How is it a bad idea? A community for trans people that's actively used by them because it works for their needs should be considered a bad idea because certain assholes can attack it? The bad there is in the assholes and effort is due in stopping them, not the existence for a specific type of useful community itself.

It's a bad idea when countries like mine are actively passing legislation toward banning trans people from existing. Having a hackable dox-ready list of where to find them and who they are would be quite convenient for any regime or its fervent supporters that have the resources and skill to weaponize such a service against them. I get what you're saying, the assholes are the bad thing here...but they are also a clea…

This can work if the platform instills a culture of pseudonymity and takes privacy seriously. There exist platforms on the darkweb where far more sensitive data is exchanged.

I believe that you are fully right, but your concerns can be mitigated.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by dspillett »

itake wrote: post #258
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #134

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All the porn companies have handled this by simply blocking the sites in the states in question, just forcing people to use VPNs. If you ask for ID verification to see NSFW content they know hardly anyone would provide it, and at the same time it opens you up to a lot of liability in handling extremely sensitive PII. The whole thing is just moralistic BS anyway. I'm sure most kids can figure out how to use a VPN bett…

> just forcing people to use VPNs Does this really even work? The law isn't "if the user's ip address appears to be from this state, then you must require id". Properly enforcing georestrictions like this costs money and destroys businesses, but that is kinda the point.

No, but they have deniability. “We checked, and they weren't in your state as far as we can tall”.

Slightly aside, if you filter like this for any reason it is safer to check that the request is NOT coming from some other location – that way your main failure mode is accidentally screening someone in a state you don't need to, not accidentally letting someone in that you could face legal action for, though this is a harder check to make.

The blocked people that use VPNs may well appear to be coming from a non-US location too which probably makes the denial slightly safer.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by Izkata »

monkeyfun wrote: post #328
robertlagrant wrote: post #301

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> The parents themselves are responsible for letting their children browse the internet unsupervised. Unless you never let your child near any slightly older child with a phone, you as a parent cannot individually control this. > The culture of over-reaction to danger Which is it? Is it that parents haven't protected their children enough, or that children don't need protection from watching pornography?

>Unless you never let your child near any slightly older child with a phone, you as a parent cannot individually control this. ...are you implying kids are having group jerkoff / porn sessions? Seems like a pretty absurd claim. Also, on your second point, you seem to be almost strawmanning -- I see no claim from the person you're replying to that they think kids need more protection. They're stating that parents are…

> > Unless you never let your child near any slightly older child with a phone, you as a parent cannot individually control this.

> ...are you implying kids are having group jerkoff / porn sessions? Seems like a pretty absurd claim.

Pre-internet, there was a fairly common trope of a kid discovering a dirty magazine, often hidden in the home by an older sibling, and showing it to their friends. Nothing actually happening, they were just sharing the images. GP seemed to just be suggesting that updated for the internet age.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by ryandrake »

harimau777 wrote: post #339
svnt wrote: post #335

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I’m sorry but business success aside, how else do you propose to do it? Require them to go outside and take a panoramic video including their face that somehow also captures third-party information about the date and time and then feed it into geoguessr?

I think the problem is that laws that are trying to force morality on people.

The general problem is that web site X doesn't know if user Y lives in state Z. And most of the realistic ways to allow them to know this are huge PII disasters waiting to happen. This has nothing to do with morality. If states wanted to ban HN, it would be just as ridiculous. Using IP address is about as pointless as using your mobile phone's area code.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by ashleyn »

pjbeam wrote: post #254

(I work in social media content moderation.) Echoing some other comments here, I highly recommend (in strongest possible terms) that you sit down with a lawyer well versed in Internet law wherever you are based out of and lay all of this out on the table for them. All it takes is a bored official finding this thread or your site directly and your sincere effort here will transform into some kind of nightmare. Particu…

this administration in particular has made it a priority to make examples of trans people and use them for political points. make sure you have ALL your legal ducks in a row if you're going to run something like this.
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