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Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by numpad0 »

Aromasin wrote: post #158
chimeracoder wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you ask for ID verification to see NSFW content they know hardly anyone would provide it, and at the same time it opens you up to a lot of liability in handling extremely sensitive PII. Yes, and that is exactly why Morality in Media (the right-wing, evangelical group behind these laws) has been proposing them. Their goal is to outlaw pornography (and other "immoral" content) on the internet by making it so diffi…

This seems a little baffling to me because these evangelical groups are uniquely American. There would still exist a huge pornography industry globally, particularly within the EU, that would serve the US even if these groups achieved every goal. It's deluded to think it could be stopped.

EU guys are the same. Organizations like German state police are doing "crackdowns" of Internet contents in total disregard of jurisdiction. Targeting criteria is neither consumers nor producers but specific subjective quality of content itself: they never care who makes it or at what cost, but that it exists.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by azeirah »

jbirer wrote: post #320
azeirah wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a little bit of context, a lot of trans people (rightfully) view HN as a (white)-male dominated place, and feel misunderstood and misheard by the people here. A common defense tactic is to become _more_ sexually overt and grotesque than they actually are in reality. A lot of the other thirstposting is, from my experience, very much genuine and heartfelt. The trans community is often quite open. I'm personally tran…

Nothing wrong with NSFW content per se, but you cannot justify potentially exposing children to pornographic content as a "coping mechanism", it wouldn't be accepted by any court for sure.

I completely agree.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by azeirah »

fatata123 wrote: post #229
azeirah wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a little bit of context, a lot of trans people (rightfully) view HN as a (white)-male dominated place, and feel misunderstood and misheard by the people here. A common defense tactic is to become _more_ sexually overt and grotesque than they actually are in reality. A lot of the other thirstposting is, from my experience, very much genuine and heartfelt. The trans community is often quite open. I'm personally tran…

There’s a fine line between ‘open’ and ‘perverted’.

Yep. That's why I'm openly talking about moderation and why I'm very much in favor of an NSFW filter.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by jncfhnb »

fatata123 wrote: post #229
azeirah wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a little bit of context, a lot of trans people (rightfully) view HN as a (white)-male dominated place, and feel misunderstood and misheard by the people here. A common defense tactic is to become _more_ sexually overt and grotesque than they actually are in reality. A lot of the other thirstposting is, from my experience, very much genuine and heartfelt. The trans community is often quite open. I'm personally tran…

There’s a fine line between ‘open’ and ‘perverted’.

Perverted is just some other person being judgmental.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by svnt »

itake wrote: post #258
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #134

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All the porn companies have handled this by simply blocking the sites in the states in question, just forcing people to use VPNs. If you ask for ID verification to see NSFW content they know hardly anyone would provide it, and at the same time it opens you up to a lot of liability in handling extremely sensitive PII. The whole thing is just moralistic BS anyway. I'm sure most kids can figure out how to use a VPN bett…

> just forcing people to use VPNs Does this really even work? The law isn't "if the user's ip address appears to be from this state, then you must require id". Properly enforcing georestrictions like this costs money and destroys businesses, but that is kinda the point.

I’m sorry but business success aside, how else do you propose to do it? Require them to go outside and take a panoramic video including their face that somehow also captures third-party information about the date and time and then feed it into geoguessr?

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by [deleted] »

grogenaut wrote: post #251

I'm not going to install the app, not sure what that blocks me from but not going to do it. and there's really nothing that tells me why I would like to use the app. I guess reply? or post? the web part seems pretty bare, I can't tell if it's meant to thread, or go longer with infinite scroll, or be a conversation, or just a wall of posts. I don't get the concept based on the website.

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Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by numpad0 »

KronisLV wrote: post #302
mmooss wrote: post #128

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Several US states now require age verification for adult content (I don't know how that is defined). A case challenging such laws is being considered by the US Supreme Court, but most experts believe the court will allow the age verification. That may mean users identifying themselves, which seems dangerous. (It should not at all be dangerous, but it is.) All you need is some phobic government official to sue or inve…

> Perhaps there's a way to do age verification while minimizing privacy risks? For example, verify their age, give them their credentials, then delete the PII? I wonder why trusted third parties haven't sprung up around this very concept to the degree of OIDC (it's almost everywhere ), you could have companies that allow uniquely identifying people, without having to manage or even get their PII directly. Service wan…

Because verification requirements are merely indirect means to suppress contents. It really doesn't matter if the actor is 14 or 40 and it's never about making sure it's the latter.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by harimau777 »

svnt wrote: post #335
itake wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> just forcing people to use VPNs Does this really even work? The law isn't "if the user's ip address appears to be from this state, then you must require id". Properly enforcing georestrictions like this costs money and destroys businesses, but that is kinda the point.

I’m sorry but business success aside, how else do you propose to do it? Require them to go outside and take a panoramic video including their face that somehow also captures third-party information about the date and time and then feed it into geoguessr?

I think the problem is that laws that are trying to force morality on people.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by [deleted] »

chimeracoder wrote: post #142
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the porn companies have handled this by simply blocking the sites in the states in question, just forcing people to use VPNs. If you ask for ID verification to see NSFW content they know hardly anyone would provide it, and at the same time it opens you up to a lot of liability in handling extremely sensitive PII. The whole thing is just moralistic BS anyway. I'm sure most kids can figure out how to use a VPN bett…

> If you ask for ID verification to see NSFW content they know hardly anyone would provide it, and at the same time it opens you up to a lot of liability in handling extremely sensitive PII. Yes, and that is exactly why Morality in Media (the right-wing, evangelical group behind these laws) has been proposing them. Their goal is to outlaw pornography (and other "immoral" content) on the internet by making it so diffi…

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