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100% Unemployment: on keeping busy when the robots take over (2013)

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Re: 100% Unemployment: on keeping busy when the robots take over (2013)

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The machines will have owners; likely, these owners will be very few due to the concentration of wealth that they will have accumulated by the time we reach full automation. So, probably a guy will own all the agricultural automation, another one the warehouse automation, another one the software, etc. Then there will also be the resource owners (probably states or big landlords). Since resources are finite (land, mi…

We'll have to seize it all by then.

Re: 100% Unemployment: on keeping busy when the robots take over (2013)

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post #21

The machines will have owners; likely, these owners will be very few due to the concentration of wealth that they will have accumulated by the time we reach full automation. So, probably a guy will own all the agricultural automation, another one the warehouse automation, another one the software, etc. Then there will also be the resource owners (probably states or big landlords). Since resources are finite (land, mi…

We'll have to seize it all by then.

It’s seems pretty obvious that in that scenario that’s what will happen. Hopefully it won’t be too dramatic…

Re: 100% Unemployment: on keeping busy when the robots take over (2013)

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If AI can barely replace car drivers or truck drivers, I think developers will unfortunately have to keep writing code.

Of course AI made progress in the language realm with chatGPT, but I don't see any advance in the realm of consciousness, general AI, emotions, etc.

There was some recent, small progress where the brain of a fly was mapped.

But I don't see transverse research made between cognition, psychology, neuroscience and AI, which is terrible.

Science doesn't even have any relevant insight on a good definition of intelligence that could be transposed into an algorithm.

There is also quantum biology, that argues that many biological systems use quantum mechanics.

Maybe quantum computing will offer new horizons with additional computing power but it will maybe take 20 more years.

Re: 100% Unemployment: on keeping busy when the robots take over (2013)

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I really can’t wait. I have so many side projects I need to finish and my day job keeps interfering with them.

It's okay. Your robot will finish them for you so you can focus on your soul destroying CRUD app at work :)

It's not that my day job isn't interesting. It's just that it takes too much time.

I love helping other engineers build cool stuff and teaching them how to better wield Python.

Re: 100% Unemployment: on keeping busy when the robots take over (2013)

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The machines will have owners; likely, these owners will be very few due to the concentration of wealth that they will have accumulated by the time we reach full automation. So, probably a guy will own all the agricultural automation, another one the warehouse automation, another one the software, etc. Then there will also be the resource owners (probably states or big landlords). Since resources are finite (land, mi…

Or we just rob the resource owners and burn the automation.

Works well until the security sector gets automated.

Re: 100% Unemployment: on keeping busy when the robots take over (2013)

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post #21

The machines will have owners; likely, these owners will be very few due to the concentration of wealth that they will have accumulated by the time we reach full automation. So, probably a guy will own all the agricultural automation, another one the warehouse automation, another one the software, etc. Then there will also be the resource owners (probably states or big landlords). Since resources are finite (land, mi…

We'll have to seize it all by then.

How do you propose we do the seizing?

Historically that never had good results, because the people who want to seize the wealth and the power are exactly those who shouldn't have it and be trusted with it, so you're exchanging one set of oligarchs with another set of despots.

Re: 100% Unemployment: on keeping busy when the robots take over (2013)

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The machines will have owners; likely, these owners will be very few due to the concentration of wealth that they will have accumulated by the time we reach full automation. So, probably a guy will own all the agricultural automation, another one the warehouse automation, another one the software, etc. Then there will also be the resource owners (probably states or big landlords). Since resources are finite (land, mi…

that sounds like Mad Max tbh,

Re: 100% Unemployment: on keeping busy when the robots take over (2013)

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The machines will have owners; likely, these owners will be very few due to the concentration of wealth that they will have accumulated by the time we reach full automation. So, probably a guy will own all the agricultural automation, another one the warehouse automation, another one the software, etc. Then there will also be the resource owners (probably states or big landlords). Since resources are finite (land, mi…

I wrote about this a bit on my blog [1] but to add to this idea,

> Maybe prostitution to the owners will be the only available job.

Pre industrial revolution, labor was in a sense cheaper than it was during the industrial revolution, and one genuinely interesting set of professions that existed then was house servants. Butlers, maids, cooks, under butlers and so on. It would not be inconceivable to see the return of these kinds of jobs? Ones where the value of human labor is so low that working for someone with wealth in their own home is common?

[1] https://wilsoniumite.com/2024/09/09/how-do-we-fix-it/

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