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Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by robertlagrant »

ETH_start wrote: post #245
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the porn companies have handled this by simply blocking the sites in the states in question, just forcing people to use VPNs. If you ask for ID verification to see NSFW content they know hardly anyone would provide it, and at the same time it opens you up to a lot of liability in handling extremely sensitive PII. The whole thing is just moralistic BS anyway. I'm sure most kids can figure out how to use a VPN bett…

It's 100% bullshit. The parents themselves are responsible for letting their children browse the internet unsupervised. The culture of over-reaction to danger that has taken over the political domain is creating a nanny state where it's impossible to avoid crosssing red lines and doing something wrong. It's paralyzing society by instilling inaction as the only safe path.

> The parents themselves are responsible for letting their children browse the internet unsupervised.

Unless you never let your child near any slightly older child with a phone, you as a parent cannot individually control this.

> The culture of over-reaction to danger

Which is it? Is it that parents haven't protected their children enough, or that children don't need protection from watching pornography?

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by KronisLV »

mmooss wrote: post #128
t4t wrote: post #10

The biggest piece of feedback I think I have gotten from posting here is that the nsfw content is a bit shocking which I get. Sorry about that. My guess is that if you just scrolled twitter or whatever by new exclusively unfiltered you wouldn’t have that different an experience. On the one hand I do think there is something interesting about the rawness of this network but also some sort of smart nsfw filtering is cl…

Several US states now require age verification for adult content (I don't know how that is defined). A case challenging such laws is being considered by the US Supreme Court, but most experts believe the court will allow the age verification. That may mean users identifying themselves, which seems dangerous. (It should not at all be dangerous, but it is.) All you need is some phobic government official to sue or inve…

> Perhaps there's a way to do age verification while minimizing privacy risks? For example, verify their age, give them their credentials, then delete the PII?

I wonder why trusted third parties haven't sprung up around this very concept to the degree of OIDC (it's almost everywhere), you could have companies that allow uniquely identifying people, without having to manage or even get their PII directly.

Service wants to check age or whether user is banned --> they are redirected to some-identity-platform.com where they can deal with any ID documents and other PII --> some-identity-platform.com gives back a token and a UUID, so all the service really needs is a JSON object with the UUID and whether user is of age (if that was in scope).

That service can also let the user granularly choose what information to return: just the UUID, whether they're of age, or specific data like where they're located, actual PII if needed (e.g. auth with govt. site) etc., the UUIDs could also be service specific, so they cannot be cross referenced across different sites in case of leaks.

Things a bit like that exist, for example here's a few random ones:

  https://www.jumio.com/
  https://aws.amazon.com/rekognition/identity-verification/
  https://www.veriff.com/
  https://www.yoti.com/
  https://ondato.com/
It does feel like the privacy problem could be solved in exactly these services, without passing too much information to the service itself. Because currently there are crazy amounts of hate and content out there that I might not want from a certain person on a site I operate, so I could just ban 914582c9-289a-4f8c-9e1c-f4193066e210 and the same person (at least with the same legal identity) could never get another account on my platform. I wouldn't even know that it's John Doe from country X and region Y that's uploading problematic content. Vice versa, I might just sell stuff to 5b9ee810-605b-40ce-9ead-85102e92df74 without ever risking compromising their identity.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by jart »

brimwats wrote: post #265
pjbeam wrote: post #254

(I work in social media content moderation.) Echoing some other comments here, I highly recommend (in strongest possible terms) that you sit down with a lawyer well versed in Internet law wherever you are based out of and lay all of this out on the table for them. All it takes is a bored official finding this thread or your site directly and your sincere effort here will transform into some kind of nightmare. Particu…

Yes, huge +1 to this OP, especially if you're American bc you are heading for a big collision with FOSTA-SESTA and other legal issues that could put you and your users at risk of harm.

Someone should set up a website with nothing but LLM generated content, to troll these officials.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by _cenw »

etothepii wrote: post #73
_cenw wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

email me if you need a code review

Without wishing to appear overly snippy, this is how I would begin hacking such a site. Offer to do a "code review".

> Without wishing to appear overly snippy

You failed.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by beeflet »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #287
beeflet wrote: post #239

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yes, this is exactly what open source "app stores" like f-droid do: reproducible builds. Also it is pretty trivial to compile it yourself to confirm.

Doesn't matter if the app is just an interface to a web server.

if it's just an interface to a web server, it should just be a web page not an app

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by saagarjha »

whoah111 wrote: post #307
saagarjha wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because focusing on biological ratios is generally considered to be incredibly rude in such a community (and probably most communities?)

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Yes, because there are very few instances where you would genuinely need to know that information. If you are in one of those (hint: you are my primary care physician or romantic partner), I will offer it to you freely. I believe this even though my biological and expressed gender align.

There are plenty of characteristics that are rude to ask even when they are factual. Asking people their age is often rude, even though it's not something they can change. Nobody is offended by the fact that they are not 21 but they can definitely be offended if you point that out to them.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by nyanpasu64 »

t4t wrote: post #244
01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #86

Mobile app only and no source code? I appreciate the effort but I'll stick with Mastodon for now.

The source is actually freely available for both the app and the web: https://gitea.com/t4t

Took a quick look through the sources (I'm aware they're not officially intended for local builds) but haven't found anything interesting (yet). First impressions:

- The API keys are obtained using flutter_dotenv, and omitted from the Git source but trivially extractable from the Play Store APK (using a rooted phone).

- After installing the .env file and building t4t locally, I was unable to log into the Android app using a Gmail account; every attempt left the app in a not-logged-in state. The same thing happened after replacing my local app with the Play Store version? (EDIT: After restarting the app I was able to proceed?)

- (nitpick/observation) When I tap a post, the app opens the user's post history, and I try scrolling the list, the view lags behind my finger. Can't tell if it's latency, dropped frames, or both together.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #282
chimeracoder wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you ask for ID verification to see NSFW content they know hardly anyone would provide it, and at the same time it opens you up to a lot of liability in handling extremely sensitive PII. Yes, and that is exactly why Morality in Media (the right-wing, evangelical group behind these laws) has been proposing them. Their goal is to outlaw pornography (and other "immoral" content) on the internet by making it so diffi…

>Yes, and that is exactly why Morality in Media (the right-wing, evangelical group behind these laws) Sure, they're major culprits but let's not let the left get off the hook entirely on promoting moralizing censorship of porn too. There are segments of it, especially those in certain feminist camps that hate pornography with a victorian near-evangelical level of scorn and they have a loud voice of their own under di…

There are, but they're disorganised and poorly funded, and opposed by other feminists. (It's practically a law - for almost every feminist moral POV there is an equal and opposite feminist moral POV.)

Meanwhile the organised and well-funded evangelicals and right-wingers ignore the constant stream of SA and CP convictions among youth pastors and other supposed moral authorities.

The stats don't necessarily prove that religious states consume more porn, but porn is an existential problem for evangelicals in a way that it isn't for most progressives.

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