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Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by moi2388 »

azeirah wrote: post #190
xrd wrote: post #4

As someone who isn't familiar with the norms of this community, the first few posts were somewhat surprising. I mean to say, they were overtly sexual and public. I have many trans friends and gay friends so I'm not saying I've never heard terminology like that, but it was usually in a closed conversation. I wonder if those are spam comments? It would be interesting to hear how you plan to guard against people who wil…

As a little bit of context, a lot of trans people (rightfully) view HN as a (white)-male dominated place, and feel misunderstood and misheard by the people here. A common defense tactic is to become _more_ sexually overt and grotesque than they actually are in reality. A lot of the other thirstposting is, from my experience, very much genuine and heartfelt. The trans community is often quite open. I'm personally tran…

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Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by caminante »

chimeracoder wrote: post #260
caminante wrote: post #256

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I was curious about the origin. It may not be what you expect. > These bills didn’t originate from some evangelical PAC or conservative think tank. Their actual origin was, ironically, The Howard Stern Show. [0] While it seems like everyone has overwhelmingly sided against free speech advocates (ACLU) and porn sites, there are some interesting points about access/addiction. I'm less impressed if it's purely evangelic…

> I was curious about the origin. It may not be what you expect. As someone who's been following this for over a decade, I can assure you it is, in fact, what I expect. That article is absolute nonsense, which you can tell by the fact that it claims the clock starts in 2021, when these bills have actually been introduced multiple times before then. Furthermore, the article contradicts its own narrative, first claimin…

Sure, but LA was the first to pass age verification for adult sites (and it wasn't until 2022-23). I don't know what the line is between that and other age verification (13+) or blanket anti-porn bills you're referring to. [0]

I don't follow your point about contradiction.

How is contacting a single-issue ally (who's on the opposite end of the political spectrum at that -- and not a "GOP Think Tank" or "evangelical") changing the origin? The person she reached out to is a pro-abortion, radical feminist. That is strengthening the article's key conclusion by a lot. It's a surprising turn for an origin story.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_verification_system#United...

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by brimwats »

Aromasin wrote: post #158
chimeracoder wrote: post #142

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> If you ask for ID verification to see NSFW content they know hardly anyone would provide it, and at the same time it opens you up to a lot of liability in handling extremely sensitive PII. Yes, and that is exactly why Morality in Media (the right-wing, evangelical group behind these laws) has been proposing them. Their goal is to outlaw pornography (and other "immoral" content) on the internet by making it so diffi…

This seems a little baffling to me because these evangelical groups are uniquely American. There would still exist a huge pornography industry globally, particularly within the EU, that would serve the US even if these groups achieved every goal. It's deluded to think it could be stopped.

No they're not; their roots are in the YMCA and the British society for the suppression of vice and earlier societies dating back to the 1700s. They originated when the church courts were shut down and are a feature of British evangelicalism that Americans turbocharged.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by defrost »

moi2388 wrote: post #261
azeirah wrote: post #190

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As a little bit of context, a lot of trans people (rightfully) view HN as a (white)-male dominated place, and feel misunderstood and misheard by the people here. A common defense tactic is to become _more_ sexually overt and grotesque than they actually are in reality. A lot of the other thirstposting is, from my experience, very much genuine and heartfelt. The trans community is often quite open. I'm personally tran…

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> And I (rightfully) view congregations of transgender women mostly as a (white)-male dominated place.

You need to get out in the world more, that's a very limited locale specific PoV.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by brimwats »

pjbeam wrote: post #254

(I work in social media content moderation.) Echoing some other comments here, I highly recommend (in strongest possible terms) that you sit down with a lawyer well versed in Internet law wherever you are based out of and lay all of this out on the table for them. All it takes is a bored official finding this thread or your site directly and your sincere effort here will transform into some kind of nightmare. Particu…

Yes, huge +1 to this OP, especially if you're American bc you are heading for a big collision with FOSTA-SESTA and other legal issues that could put you and your users at risk of harm.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by brimwats »

t4t wrote: post #30
asdf6969 wrote: post #21

What’s wrong with Grindr, the biggest app for queer and trans people to meet?

I think the main complaints overall with apps like Grindr, Lex et al comes in a few parts: 1) Mainstream dating apps are full of very profit driven patterns, and feel manipulative and corporate. A fair followup would be why would t4t not eventually become like this? I think probably the main differentiator is that t4t is written to run extremely cheap, and my goals for it are mostly just for it to support me financia…

OP, I love your passion, but as someone who's been in these trenches for a long time as a visibily queer person, you are a Titanic heading for an iceberg of legal issues in the US, UK,and a few other places. You are putting yourself and your users at an extremely high risk of outing, doxing, and potential legal issues. The fact that you haven't addressed these issues scares me and it should scare you.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by m00x »

wjbolles wrote: post #74

If you've created a service with that many users, that could be a target for malicious actors, and also hosts NSFW content, you may want to look over this article and protect yourself by forming an LLC. https://denise.dreamwidth.org/91757.html

LLCs won't protect you completely. That's a myth.

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by azernik »

itake wrote: post #258
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #134

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All the porn companies have handled this by simply blocking the sites in the states in question, just forcing people to use VPNs. If you ask for ID verification to see NSFW content they know hardly anyone would provide it, and at the same time it opens you up to a lot of liability in handling extremely sensitive PII. The whole thing is just moralistic BS anyway. I'm sure most kids can figure out how to use a VPN bett…

> just forcing people to use VPNs Does this really even work? The law isn't "if the user's ip address appears to be from this state, then you must require id". Properly enforcing georestrictions like this costs money and destroys businesses, but that is kinda the point.

It provides plausible deniability. "We did our best, judge"

Re: Show HN: I built an active community of trans people online

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Post by kenjackson »

beeflet wrote: post #239
kenjackson wrote: post #218

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Real question : how do you verify that the source code matches the code of the service you’re using? Is there some service that builds and hosts and you can verify what it builds against the hosted location?

yes, this is exactly what open source "app stores" like f-droid do: reproducible builds. Also it is pretty trivial to compile it yourself to confirm.

Just because I can compile it doesn’t mean it’s the same as what’s being run on the service.

The build and what’s hosted have to be the same.

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