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Post by dr_kiszonka »

aerostable_slug wrote: post #206
itskarad wrote: post #164

I think this opens a new direction in terms of UI for companies like Instacart or Doordash — they can now optimise marketing for LLMs in place of humans, so they can just give benchmarks or quantized results for a product so the LLM can make a decision, instead of presenting the highest converting products first. If the operator is told to find the most nutritious eggs for weight gain, the agent can refer to the nutr…

This reminds me of a scene in the latest entry to the Alien film franchise where the protagonists traverse a passage designated for 'artificial human' use only (it's dark and rather claustrophobic). In the future we might well stumble into those kind of spaces on the net accidentally, look around briefly, then excuse ourselves back to the well-lit spaces meant for real people.

Oh, these places already exist! I came across a few subreddits and IRC channels used for botnet communications.

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Post by random3 »

mrdependable wrote: post #258
fraboniface wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, every country should urgently have a public debate on how best to use that technology and make sure it's beneficial to society as a whole. Social media are a good example that a technology can have a net negative impact if we don't deploy it carefully.

I agree, though while everyone is having public debates, these companies are already in there greasing palms. I personally think the fact we are allowing them to extract so much value from our collective work is perverse. What I find even more sickening is how many people are cheering them on. Let them make their AI if we have to. Let them use it to cure cancer and whatever other disease, but I don't think we should…

For better or worse, there's a system and range of possibilities and any actionable steps need ot be within the realm of this reality, regardless of how anyone feels about it.

Public information and the ability for public to analyze, understand and eventually decide what's best for them is by and large the most relevant aspect. Your decisions are drastically different if you learn soemthing can or cannot be avoided.

You can't dissallow commercial purposes. You can't even realistically enforce property rights for illegal training data, but maybe you can argue that the totality of human knowledge should go towards the benefits of the humans, regardless of who organizes it.

However there's a lot that can be done like understanding the implications of the (close to) zero-sum game that's about to happen and whether they are solvable in the current framework and without a first principles approach.

Ultimately, it's a resource ownership and resource utilization efficiency game. Everyone's resource ownership can't be drastically change but their resource efficiency utilization can as long as the implications are made clear.

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Post by thurn »

dang wrote: post #302
sumedh wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are you even going to moderate such content, how will the website operator even know if its real human or an AI agent controlling a computer?

So far HN users seem to be doing a pretty job of flagging them. Of course, the big question is what to do if/when they're smart enough to fool everybody.

hm, wouldn't you almost by definition think you were doing a good job of flagging them at any level of actual effectiveness?

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Post by th1238129 »

karpathy wrote: post #245

The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News is mixed. Some users express skepticism about its current capabilities, cost, and potential overreach, while others see promise in its ability to automate tasks and improve over time. Ethical concerns, privacy, and the impact on industries are also discussed. Overall, there's cautious optimism with acknowledgment of challenges and potential improve…

Great AI comment, you can be replaced!

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Post by benkaiser »

owlbynight wrote: post #21

Neat, someone should develop an easy-to-deploy script that spawns a headless version of this agent that scrolls through and repeatedly clicks every single ad on X and Facebook using a session cookie.

This is not to far from what AdNauseam does today as a simple browser extension.

https://adnauseam.io/

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Post by snowmaker »

karpathy wrote: post #245

The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News is mixed. Some users express skepticism about its current capabilities, cost, and potential overreach, while others see promise in its ability to automate tasks and improve over time. Ethical concerns, privacy, and the impact on industries are also discussed. Overall, there's cautious optimism with acknowledgment of challenges and potential improve…

Amazing comment

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Post by dragonwriter »

dialup_sounds wrote: post #273
gyomu wrote: post #255

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@dang can we have guidelines against posting AI generated content here? (who cares if the account is "human operated" or has a disclaimer). It's just lame and not what this forum is about.

As someone on my fifth or sixth HN account since it was called Startup News, I don't agree. Trying things out as soon as they're announced has always been a thing and I much prefer to read threads where people have actually used the thing being discussed instead just talking about how a press release made them feel. Also: Y Combinator funded something like 30 AI-centered startups in the last batch, and while HN has n…

> Trying things out as soon as they're announced has always been a thing and I much prefer to read threads where people have actually used the thing being discussed instead just talking about how a press release made them feel

Reading comments by people who have used (in this threads case) Operator is different than reading comments written by Operator. You can have a preference for comments about use of the product that is the subject of a story without having a preference for comments written by the product that is the subject of a story.

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Post by dang »

thurn wrote: post #324
dang wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far HN users seem to be doing a pretty job of flagging them. Of course, the big question is what to do if/when they're smart enough to fool everybody.

hm, wouldn't you almost by definition think you were doing a good job of flagging them at any level of actual effectiveness?

Not if I were seeing a bunch of them get through.

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Post by throwaway123128 »

easterncalculus wrote: post #22

From the slide deck on the livestream: "[Operator safety risks and mitigations] Harmful tasks: User is misaligned" Looking forward to seeing some more of the examples for when openai considers their users as "misaligned", whatever that actually even means anymore.

The Nazis called it "Gleichschaltung". Same principle, different applications.
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