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Sex, Lies and Julian Assange

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Re: Sex, Lies and Julian Assange

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Small cited section from the article: "You only need to look at the way that Red Notices are used around the world. Red Notices are normally the preserve of terrorists and dictators. The president of Syria does not have a Red Notice alert. Gaddafi in Libya, at the same time Julian's arrest warrant was issued, was not subject to a Red Notice but an Orange Notice. It was an incredibly... it was incredibly unusual that a red notice would be sought for an allegation of this kind."

And the allegation is accusation of sexually assault of the lowest degree. The lowest. Accusations. If Anders Breivik fled out of jail from Norway, he would be unlikely to receive the same high international legal attention that Assange got. It things like that this that causes people to loose trust in the legal system, especially the Swedish legal system.

Re: Sex, Lies and Julian Assange

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The charge is that he had consensual sex with these women and prosecutors decided it was "rape" because they didn't use protection. Weeks after the fact, when they wanted him for other reasons. They aren't even claiming that it wasn't consensual. Thus the only thing I wonder about this case is how can anyone pretend like this is a legitimate warrant? Everyone consented, there was no crime. Forget about who Assange is…

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Re: Sex, Lies and Julian Assange

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Just read the article (it takes about 30 minutes). This was the best account that I've read of the entire situation and has now educated me on to the "dragnet" that surrounds Julian Assange.

The TL;DR summary is that everything points to Sweden having being coerced at every juncture (by the US), and the Swedish police failing constantly.

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I'd never actually been clear on what the "sexual assault/rape/molestation" charges were with Assange, but from the transcript, these charges were filed after two women Anna Ardin and Sofia Wilen went to the police to seek advice if they could compel Assange to take a STD test since they did not use a condom during sex.

It's unclear from the transcript, but from what I have read, these two women knew that he was sleeping with both of them. Both of the women went to the Klara police station in central Stockholm, however, it is mentioned that Ardin had gone along primarily to support Wilen.

Ardin had been frequently in the company of Assange. She had previously described him as such a "cool man" (Twitter). They also arrived and left together at a Crayfish party (equivalent of a cocktail party). Ardin was sharing accomodation with Assange and had refused an offer from someone else for temporary accomodation.

The day after the accusation of rape and molesation Ardin sent a SMS saying : "I've just spent some time with the coolest people in the world".

SMS text messages were also exchanged between Sofia and Ardin, which showed that the two of them knew of the relationship between each other and Assange.

Ardin responded to a friend who was looking for Assange : "He's not here. He's planned to have sex with the cashmere girl every evening, but not made it. Maybe he finally found time yesterday?"

The Swedish police, totally railroaded the investigation. Interviews have been leaked with Assange, and Wilen commented initially "that she became so distraught she refused to give any more testimony and refused to sign what had been taken down.".

Assange went freely for interview to the police station and was released without immediate charge, and was free to travel. Almost immediately there after, another warrant was issued for his arrest.

Eventually, it was also upgraded to a "Red Notice". To put it into context, a red notice for such a trivial charge with a previously willful and responsive person is unusual.

> The president of Syria does not have a Red Notice alert. Gaddafi in Libya, at the same time Julian's arrest warrant was issued, was not subject to a Red Notice but an Orange Notice. It was an incredibly... it was incredibly unusual that a red notice would be sought for an allegation of this kind.

It's alleged (from the transcripts), that Sweden has frankly always been the United States' lap dog and it's not a matter we are particularly proud of. The Swedish Government has... essentially, whenever a US official says, "Jump", the Sweden Government asks, "How high?"

Assange's legal team are clearly trying to point out that US is coercing all of this behind the scenes so that he can then be extradited from Sweden and face trial for conspiracy to commit espionage.

> The burden should be on the United States Government to say, "We are not planning to prosecute Julian Assange". If they just gave that assurance, I can guarantee you that Julian Assange would go to Sweden tomorrow.

Re: Sex, Lies and Julian Assange

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally responses where you mischaracterize what someone has said are not preferred on this forum. That is what I'm saying, and you continue to do it. Effectively, you're just calling me names. In this example, you're claiming that I'm saying I'm "intellectually superior" as a way of implying that I don't have any argument other than being smug. In doing so, you cut out my actual explanations and have ignored my ar…

Why, this the internet is serial business for you huh?

I upvoted this for the south park reference. I am prepared fr the downvotes.

Re: Sex, Lies and Julian Assange

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I don't think your reading of the offence is correct Certainly the UK Extradition Judge in his first hearing thought he had a case to answer, and had the offence occurred in the UK it would probably be classed as sexual assault.

How can consensual sex be assault? Even in the UK?

How can consensual sex be assault? Even in the UK?

Assange is alleged to have had sex with one of the women whilst she was sleeping[1]. That is very much considered rape in the UK.

[1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-q...

Re: Sex, Lies and Julian Assange

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Just read the article (it takes about 30 minutes). This was the best account that I've read of the entire situation and has now educated me on to the "dragnet" that surrounds Julian Assange. The TL;DR summary is that everything points to Sweden having being coerced at every juncture (by the US), and the Swedish police failing constantly. ---------------- I'd never actually been clear on what the "sexual assault/rape/…

It has turned my view on the case as well.. especially the 'red notice' BS. Like many people I initially thought that if he's innocent then just turn up and have his day in court in Sweden. But the case is a lot more complicated than that - definitely looks like something dodgy happening.

Re: Sex, Lies and Julian Assange

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Small cited section from the article: "You only need to look at the way that Red Notices are used around the world. Red Notices are normally the preserve of terrorists and dictators. The president of Syria does not have a Red Notice alert. Gaddafi in Libya, at the same time Julian's arrest warrant was issued, was not subject to a Red Notice but an Orange Notice. It was an incredibly... it was incredibly unusual that…

Red Notices are normally the preserve of terrorists and dictators.

The Wikipedia page says that red notices are: Requests (provisional) arrest of wanted persons, with a view to extradition.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol_notice

From the page, I can't work out what other notice would have been appropriate in its place. I do, however, have a massive headcold today, so please let me know if I've missed something obvious :)

Re: Sex, Lies and Julian Assange

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Amazing how legal systems are made to bend at the will of biased government interests. If the leaks from Assange were from North Korea or any US "enemy", he'd be getting diplomatic immunity or any other kind of law bending to protect him. The worst thing is, it's not just the US. The US just has more power to do so. This world is damned.

Re: Sex, Lies and Julian Assange

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Small cited section from the article: "You only need to look at the way that Red Notices are used around the world. Red Notices are normally the preserve of terrorists and dictators. The president of Syria does not have a Red Notice alert. Gaddafi in Libya, at the same time Julian's arrest warrant was issued, was not subject to a Red Notice but an Orange Notice. It was an incredibly... it was incredibly unusual that…

Red Notices are normally the preserve of terrorists and dictators. The Wikipedia page says that red notices are: Requests (provisional) arrest of wanted persons, with a view to extradition. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol_notice From the page, I can't work out what other notice would have been appropriate in its place. I do, however, have a massive headcold today, so please let me know if I've missed somethin…

The appropriate method is to issue an arrest, then using informal channels to the UK police asking for assistance. Interpol notices are for extreme rare exceptions. If one would to be used for any common crime where the accused has left the country, the list would become useless. We would end up with a list somewhere around 200 000 - 1 000 000 people, not 7,678.

It somewhat like bringing in tanks, bombers, and a nuclear missile in handling a shop lifter running away from the store. It might work, but appropriate action it is not. Equal to the law it is clearly not.

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