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Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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A common complaint I hear at defcon and other cons in vegas is that the hotel internet is terrible. Hopefully good internet service comes as a result of this?

Ah, the memories of trying to get good internet for DEF CON CTF in some random hotel suite…

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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Pretty nice to be able to download a modern game in a few minutes instead of a few hours.

Sure, and that’s worth spending how much per month? I mean if I was forced to sit and stare at a download screen then sure it’d be worth it to me. However even at 2+Gigabit I’m not going to sit and stare about the download screen so it’s kind of meaningless how long it takes. I’ve got plenty of other stuff to do for a while.

I pay £25 for 500Mbs, which I find reasonable.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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I remember reading about Google Fiber in the news 10+ years ago. At that time the idea of having a multi-gigabit internet connection at home felt very exciting and futuristic. Today, fiber at home is almost a given in many countries. I mean, it is good that LA residents will have access to fast internet. But this is commodity now. I don't get it why is this in the news.

Las Vegas, not Los Angeles.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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> GFiber service will be available in parts of the metro area later this year. Nevada residents and business owners will be able to choose between Google Fiber’s plans with prices that haven’t changed since 2012 and speeds up to 8 gig. The author of the press release is under the mistaken belief that unchanged broadband pricing is a good thing. From the linked price page: 1gig: $70/mo 2gig: $100/mo 5gig: $125/mo 8 gi…

Sorry but this is just incorrect on many fronts. I can speak to this issue as a former engineer on Google Fiber so I got to see just how the sausage was made. Existing national ISPs just have inbuilt advantages that a newcomer cannot replicate or can't replicate cheaply. This is the result of decades of lobbying state and local governments. Take something as simple as where you run cables in the streets. You basicall…

And let’s not overlook the shit show of “shallow trenching” in Louisville, KY.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/02/googl...

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, and that’s worth spending how much per month? I mean if I was forced to sit and stare at a download screen then sure it’d be worth it to me. However even at 2+Gigabit I’m not going to sit and stare about the download screen so it’s kind of meaningless how long it takes. I’ve got plenty of other stuff to do for a while.

I pay £25 for 500Mbs, which I find reasonable.

Which just barely takes God Of War Ragnarok under an hour, but DCS World is over 2 hours. And game keep growing…

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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I can think of two reasons why it wouldn't (benign) peak-to-average problem - I'll go ahead and just assume that defcon attendees use a lot more internet bandwidth than the average Vegas-goer, so during defcon the network is overwhelmed, but the rest of the year the capacity is adequate. Upgrading the links to satisfy the peak (defcon) traffic load costs the casinos significant money, but gives minuscule benefit sinc…

It's worse. Event venues AND anyplace that might EVER have expense account holding business travelers just want to charge for it. Even if fiber literally rolled right up to the side of the building, it'd be resold by either the hotel or a 3rd party vendor with a focus on profit rather than just being good.

My wife and I started traveling a lot as leisure travelers (50+ days last year, 240 days the year before) post Covid and my wife goes to conferences. We stay in mostly Hilton and Hyatt brands with the occasional Marriot. It use to be true that the high end brands charge for WiFi. But I haven’t seen a separate WiFi charge in all of these time.

Admittedly the only hotel I stayed in that was considered high end was the Conrad in Los Angeles.

Non anecdotally, I did a search and I couldn’t find a hotel that still charged separately for WiFi, just a “resort fee” that everyone pays.

Some hotels do charge for “premium” WiFi.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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> GFiber service will be available in parts of the metro area later this year. Nevada residents and business owners will be able to choose between Google Fiber’s plans with prices that haven’t changed since 2012 and speeds up to 8 gig. The author of the press release is under the mistaken belief that unchanged broadband pricing is a good thing. From the linked price page: 1gig: $70/mo 2gig: $100/mo 5gig: $125/mo 8 gi…

Holy... Here in Switzerland we have an ISP, Init7, that offers two price options ("G" = "Gbps" and "M" = "Mbps" but shorter for clarity):

- Regular dynamic IPv4 + static IPv6 /48, 1G/1G, 10G/10G or 25G/25G (speed is your choice): $71.56/month - CG-NAT IPv4 + static IPv6 /56, 500M/100M if you don't have fiber available or 1G/1G if you do: $48.63/month

The higher speeds have higher setup and equipment costs but the monthly costs are all the same.

I have the 25Gbps service and can actually get those speeds outside my ISP's network: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/84db310f-2caa-4564-b5ff-b...

Also fun: they can offer you a BGP session so you can use your own IP space with your home internet connection: https://lists.init7.net/hyperkitty/list/swinog@lists.swinog....

For anyone wondering how this is possible/economical when the US is so expensive:

- The last-mile connectivity is treated as a monopoly and providers who install the infrastructure are obligated to offer fair (not free) access to their competitors - this ensures price competition.

- Init7 successfully argued in federal court that P2MP topologies are anti-competitive, so can't be the sole implementation in new infrastructure deployments - this enabled them to install their own hardware on the other end of a customer's fiber, so they can simply swap a 1G SFP for a 10G SFP or a 25G SFP and offer higher speeds.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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> In 2017, basically all the Google Fiber software teams went on hiatus (mine included). What does a hiatus entail in this case? Did these teams all just stop working on Fiber stuff and sit around all day hoping they would be given something to do?

They laid us all off. They had huge plans - millions of users! Then they intersected reality in KC where all people wanted was 5Mbit service and free TV... There were many, many people working to perfect the settop box for example. We got fq_codel running on the wifi, we never got anywhere on the shaper, the plan was to move 1+m units of that (horrible integrated chip the comcerto C2000 - it didn´t have coherent cach…

> They laid us all off.

I think you mean "they advanced their amazing bet".

https://fiber.google.com/blog/2016/10/advancing-our-amazing-...

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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A lot of people lately are complaining about a lack of price stability, it seems like a good angle. Also as an SF resident with no realistic alternative to Comcast cable, I'd appreciate a provider who didn't try to sneak price increases onto my bill a couple of times a year. In a healthy market I wouldn't expect big margins for sellers, but honestly if someone's making insane profits by selling me a product or servic…

Have you considered Monkeybrains? For the price the service is fantastic, and with some of their new upgrades speeds are pretty good for most of SF. Caveat: I work from home so I keep my comcast subscription as a backup and have a router with automatic failover. I would say this is not worth it for most people and just Monkeybrains is sufficent.

How’s MonkeyBrains during rain?
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