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Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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Post by Dylan16807 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #36
wil421 wrote: post #31

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They did in my area 7 years ago almost as soon as it was announced. They wired new condos and apartments but nothing else. Luckily AT&T installed it on the pole by my house. I moved and lost fiber but have 1.2 down over coax but only 200 up.

> Luckily AT&T installed it on the pole by my house This seems to be Google Fiber's purpose. Spurring the telcos into investing to maintain share.

There was a spur from them starting up at all. I don't want to diminish that too badly. But since then, increasing their coverage area from a fraction of a percent up to 1% of the US population, I don't think that has spurred very much.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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Post by kbolino »

lazycouchpotato wrote: post #59
bitpush wrote: post #18

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Isnt fiber symmetrical?

Xfinity hasn't gotten that notice apparently. They offer 1 Gbps download in my area with 20 Mbps upload. And it comes with a 1.2 TB limit. EDIT: I'm wrong. The Xfinity in my area is on cable.

AFAIK Xfinity (Comcast) is not deploying FTTP anywhere. It's a cable network on DOCSIS. The fiber usually stops at the CMTS which is far away from the home; one CMTS serves multiple neighborhoods if not the entire town.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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Post by jonathantf2 »

ErrantX wrote: post #19
rconti wrote: post #7

> GFiber service will be available in parts of the metro area later this year. Nevada residents and business owners will be able to choose between Google Fiber’s plans with prices that haven’t changed since 2012 and speeds up to 8 gig. The author of the press release is under the mistaken belief that unchanged broadband pricing is a good thing. From the linked price page: 1gig: $70/mo 2gig: $100/mo 5gig: $125/mo 8 gi…

Just for a global comparison. Fibre is pretty ubiquitous in the UK but very little over 1G, and not usually symmetrical. Most top end packages are 1G and go for between $45-70 depending on the reseller. But you can get it pretty much anywhere that qualifies as a decent sized town. (We do have close-to a monopoly on the backbone, which is good for coverage but bad for speeds, looks like they are finally starting to ro…

Even if OR roll out symmetrical I doubt that many retail ISPs will sell it because that's one of the main selling points for Ethernet/"leased line" circuits for businesses

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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Post by mschuster91 »

hooli_gan wrote: post #57
mschuster91 wrote: post #9

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well the CCC crowd has many years of experience on their belt dealing with the absurd amount of traffic that only a nerd conference can sustain - and they do all of it on their own, the only thing the venue has to give them are rooms, power and fiber uplinks. CCC erects a whole damn ass datacenter and tears it down in a few days, that's a massive expense both financially and in volunteer time. Oh and on top of that c…

Are there behind scenes videos of their wifi setup? I haven't found any.

The video team has a wiki [1] and the NOC a few photos on mastodon [2]. There used to be at least one more detailed report but FFS Google is useless these days.

[1] https://c3voc.de/wiki/hardware

[2] https://chaos.social/@c3noc/media

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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Post by lotsofpulp »

ghaff wrote: post #43
rconti wrote: post #12

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Yep, my in-laws in Menlo Park had insanely slow SBC DSL with high packet loss. SBC actually just discontinued the service rather than do anything useful. I once paid that ridiculous $149/mo for the 1gig Comcast service until I got tired of the bill that I was really only paying for bragging rights, and went back to 250Mbps.

I honestly don't understand what the big deal is with the higher speed tiers. I forget what my house theoretically gets but, in practice, it's less than 100 down from Comcast and that's perfectly fine for what I use it for. I'm a bit under $100/mo and wouldn't pay to upgrade.

That is how Comcast slices their meager upload capacity, but it looks better for them to advertise their bigger bullshit burst bandwidth numbers than advertise a pathetic upgrade of 5Mbps upload, which probably just means they downgrade someone else’s upload.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

ghaff wrote: post #43
rconti wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, my in-laws in Menlo Park had insanely slow SBC DSL with high packet loss. SBC actually just discontinued the service rather than do anything useful. I once paid that ridiculous $149/mo for the 1gig Comcast service until I got tired of the bill that I was really only paying for bragging rights, and went back to 250Mbps.

I honestly don't understand what the big deal is with the higher speed tiers. I forget what my house theoretically gets but, in practice, it's less than 100 down from Comcast and that's perfectly fine for what I use it for. I'm a bit under $100/mo and wouldn't pay to upgrade.

it's mostly an artifact of shitty ISPs like Xfinity that haven't figured out that in 2025 non-symmetric download and upload is really dumb. I have 300mbps currently because if I dropped to 100, my upload would go from 30 to 5, and it's nice to be able to upload a file at higher than dial up speeds

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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Post by cyberax »

michaelt wrote: post #70
sounds wrote: post #2

A common complaint I hear at defcon and other cons in vegas is that the hotel internet is terrible. Hopefully good internet service comes as a result of this?

The largest hotels around, like Caesars Palace, might have 4000 rooms. So if they had, for example, a 10 Gbps link for the building - that's only 2.5 Mbps per room if everyone wants to use it. Fine when 98% of guests don't want to use it, totally inadequate if all your guests want to use it. And as I understand things, if someone's offering you a 10 gigabit link for $150 they're relying on you only using it a tiny %…

Amazon during re:Invent somehow manages to set up fast WiFi networks that service literally tens of thousands of attendees.

It's a skill issue from the hotel owners. They can't be bothered to fix their stuff.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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Post by Dylan16807 »

kotaKat wrote: post #62
lazycouchpotato wrote: post #54

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A recent LTT video attributes it to hotels colluding so that one's Wi-Fi isn't too much better than the others. https://youtu.be/sYXh0AdBw-I?t=879

I'm gonna need a source on that one beyond LTT just going "the hotels on the strip collude with each other". Convention wireless is a pain in the ass as a whole, and I've seen it both from venue-hosted networks and privately-operated-on-site networks being deployed as an overlay.

Did you actually look at the video/transcript? They were specifically talking about the internet service in the rooms being bad, and how it used to be good in specific hotels.

Re: Google Fiber is coming to Las Vegas

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Post by xzjis »

rconti wrote: post #7

> GFiber service will be available in parts of the metro area later this year. Nevada residents and business owners will be able to choose between Google Fiber’s plans with prices that haven’t changed since 2012 and speeds up to 8 gig. The author of the press release is under the mistaken belief that unchanged broadband pricing is a good thing. From the linked price page: 1gig: $70/mo 2gig: $100/mo 5gig: $125/mo 8 gi…

Wait, an optical fiber is that expensive in the USA?

In France, the price for a symetrical 8 Gbit/s optical fiber is 50€/month (about $52) at the two fastest and most expensive companies! It's also 50€/month for professionals.

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