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People are bad at reporting what they eat. That's a problem for dietary research

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Re: People are bad at reporting what they eat. That's a problem for dietary research

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That might even be realistic if you are spraying a baking sheet - since you cover the whole thing. But if you are cooking pancakes and spray the pan after each one you get a lot of carbs.

Carbs?

Arrgghhh... Once more I wish I could edit things a day latter to fix all my stupid mistakes. (I blame is on diagnosed dysgraphia).

Oil is not carbs of course. I guess I meant fat.

Re: People are bad at reporting what they eat. That's a problem for dietary research

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That might even be realistic if you are spraying a baking sheet - since you cover the whole thing. But if you are cooking pancakes and spray the pan after each one you get a lot of carbs.

Alt tip: dont use any fat on the pan when cooking pancakes. Gives the surface that restaurant quaility, smooth evenness.

Depends on the pan and pancake. Restaurants use a fair amount of fat in their dough so fat on the griddle isn't needed, if you make your own batter (as opposed to store bought) you can control this and reduce the fat such that you need to add some to the pan. The pancakes will of course taste different. In my case I'm making sourdough on cast iron - I've never figured out the trick to make the first couple not stick (whatever I cooked the night before affects something)

Re: People are bad at reporting what they eat. That's a problem for dietary research

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For those that "track and weight everything" (how ?) do you manage ?: - sauces you make yourself? I often mix some different oils, mustard, seeds, miso, bit of leamon juice and spices… but weighting and logging everything will take 3x the time to do the sauce itself - different cooking time in one receive : oignons going first, tomato sauce in the middle and parsley at the end (but still cook a bit with residual heat…

This won't be useful for you because you share food with others, but for people who do not share food and are interested in long term tracking rather than short term (e.g., they want to take off some weight at a healthy rate and keep it off, as opposed to people who just want to lose a few pounds rapidly for their class reunion and will make no effort after that to keep it off) there is a simple trick that can make i…

I founded a startup based on this idea. Track purchases with credit cards and sum things up on a monthly basis. Unfortunately couldn't find a grocer to take me up on it mid pandemic, but I want to try it again in a few years if no one has made it work yet.

Re: People are bad at reporting what they eat. That's a problem for dietary research

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> or maybe a tiny bit of oil and vinegar That's what I mean by "dressing". We're talking about the same thing.

Ah well, above us they seem to call mayonnaise and other fat and high calorie stuff "dressing"?

Mayonnaise alone is used to dress salads, and mayonnaise is used as the base for many more elaborate salad dressings. The famous American "ranch" dressing is basically mayonnaise with buttermilk and allium and herbs added.

Re: People are bad at reporting what they eat. That's a problem for dietary research

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The study you point to here is a guideline on conducting studies. It was unfortunately not available online so I can't evaluate their recommended methodology. Looking for actual studies that tried to do randomized feeding trials, I found "A randomized controlled-feeding trial based on the Dietary Guidelines for Americans on cardiometabolic health indexes"[1] as a top hit, which fortunately had the full text [2] avail…

I'm not sure what the intention of your comment is. Yes, I linked to the guidelines on feeding studies because that is entirely the point of my comment. You linked to a study where food was provided to the subjects (the food obviously nutritionally selected and provided per the study groups), and the subjects obviously are assumed to stick to the provided food and to accurate report what they ate among that reported…

> Are you expecting the people to be inprisoned? I mean, there are in-patient studies but they are obviously massively more difficult to carry out.

I expect rigorous methodologies to be employed before conclusions are drawn or held to be widely applicable. Self-reporting is intrinsically flawed. It does not seem like feeding studies as defined here addresses this or has been validated to produce superior results -- detected non-compliance was significant (though they did not report the difference between self-reported non-compliance and methodologically detected non-compliance) and undetected non-compliance was of course not measured.

Would I expect to be only satisfied by imprisonment or inpatient studies? I don't even think I'd be satisfied by that! The differences in activity would make all such results difficult to interpret. But if inpatient is the best we can do, but it's difficult, then we have to live with the fact that our understanding of nutritional interventions is extremely dubious. You can't just accept bad science because it's the best you can do.

Re: People are bad at reporting what they eat. That's a problem for dietary research

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What FAQ and pricing pages? Your website makes no mention of pricing at all. Edit: The "dark" pattern is in the registration flow. It doesn't mention that the app requires a subscription anywhere until after you've created an account. Surely you could add a disclaimer before creating your account? This has nothing to do with the App Store. Edit 2: I'm not saying you intended to implement a dark pattern. Just perhaps…

Looks like we used to have it in the description on the app store along with the FAQ but a team member made the decision to remove it because of complaints about it being inconsistent with the way Apple was localizing pricing to different currencies and regions. We can't hit people with the paywall before they've registered because we need to assign the trial to their user record. We've tried adding more language dur…

> You're mistaking challenges in building a global app for malicious intent.

Perhaps the grandparent comment of mine did, not me.

> We'll add something back to the FAQ on this, thank you all for pointing it out.

So people don't read onboarding instructions, but you're going to bury the pricing info in an FAQ in the App Store where it's hidden below the fold?

The fix is quite easy. Here's a redesign for your in-app registration screen:

   Create account   
                    
  ┌────────────────┐
  │Name            │
  └────────────────┘
  ┌────────────────┐
  │Email           │
  └────────────────┘
  ┌────────────────┐
  │Password        │
  └────────────────┘
                    
    ┌────────────┐  
    │  Register  │  
    └────────────┘  
   7-day free trial,
    $6.67/mo after

Re: People are bad at reporting what they eat. That's a problem for dietary research

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The prevalence of self-reported studies in the nutrition world is a great hint that the field of study is deeply unserious. It's full of quack practitioners who know they can get clicks by torturing the data from a poorly-constructed study, because there's always some innumerate journalist who just needs to get some clicks to make their editor happy.

Re: People are bad at reporting what they eat. That's a problem for dietary research

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This is so dismissive it's almost condescending. I know how much food I need to eat in order to survive and maintain a healthy weight. But if I eat that amount of food, I'm still hungry . Doesn't matter what I eat. I'll eat a diet high in protein and fiber, moderate in fat, and low in sugar and starches, which is supposed to be the recipe to feel full without eating empty calories, but it doesn't work. 16 oz steak pa…

How much protein were you getting on the high protein diet? For a long time I heard about "get lots of protein, it helps with satiety" and I thought I had enough protein. When I went to a nutritionist and she made me do a food journal, her first feedback was that I needed to up the proteins even more. And then indeed, I stopped feeling as hungry.

Typically 100-150g per day.

Re: People are bad at reporting what they eat. That's a problem for dietary research

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I’m rather unknowledgeable on diabetes, so here’s a question that may seem basic: does choosing healthier meal, a salad instead of sweet ribs, not suffice for a good blood sugar?

Salad is great for diabetics. The problem is everything else:). Like for instance I've discovered that 99% of all rice is extremely bad, even good pasta is bad, potatoes are poison, bread also bad, and the list goes on. Fruits are bad too. Cooking at home can be managed, and still heavily limiting. Eating out is a nightmare. First of all there are no "diabetes" places in the similar style to "vegan". And eating in a…

> First of all there are no "diabetes" places in the similar style to "vegan".

AOL keyword: “keto”

low carbohydrate foods are currently trendy but they’re not called “diabetic”

Re: People are bad at reporting what they eat. That's a problem for dietary research

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In the EU, food manufacturers are required to label macronutrients (and salt) in mg/100mg or mg/100ml for fluids. Easy to compare, works great.

It's the same in Australia as well. I'm a bit shocked that the US doesn't have this.

But are you actually?
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