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Ask HN: Can we just admit we want to replace jobs with AI?

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Re: Ask HN: Can we just admit we want to replace jobs with AI?

#101

But how is an individual supposed to "prepare" for AGI? The outcome of further automation will be to move even more capital under the control of an even smaller number of hands. It's that increasing inequality which is the problem, not AGI.

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Re: Ask HN: Can we just admit we want to replace jobs with AI?

#102
Another point to acknowledge is that this job elimination, even if it temporarily boosts corporate profits, is not going to be good for the economy, nor going to boost GDP.

Cheap AI labor will depress wages and therefore reduce consumer demand. This is not a recipe for GDP growth or a vibrant economy anymore than outsourcing to reduce labor costs has been.

The people trying to sell AI as good for the economy will no doubt tell you that companies don't want to reduce your salary or lay you off - that they will be happy to keep payroll the same, or increase it (increased consumer spending = GDP growth!) by employing you as a highly paid AI whisperer. Yeah, no, companies are looking to reduce payroll.

Re: Ask HN: Can we just admit we want to replace jobs with AI?

#103

But how is an individual supposed to "prepare" for AGI? The outcome of further automation will be to move even more capital under the control of an even smaller number of hands. It's that increasing inequality which is the problem, not AGI.

Get a job that requires a human physical presence. Nurse, plumber, etc.

Re: Ask HN: Can we just admit we want to replace jobs with AI?

#104
post #80

I would absolutely embrace AI if the means of production was owned collectively, not by the few privileged. It seems to me, that the path we are on will lead us closer to a Terminator-like future, and less likely to lead to a positive future. Our leadership are greedy fools.

> Our leadership are greedy fools. Why? Because our government hasn't seized the assets of the AI companies, like intellectual eminent domain? This is brand new technology from which nobody knows the eventual impact on society (hence the discussion in this thread). And if the government did take it over, who would continue to build it, earning a govt salary?

Are you really so intellectually un-curious that this is the only alternative you can envision? How about a government that recognizes the benefits of technological progress but ensures the rewards are shared by all instead of just a select few?

Re: Ask HN: Can we just admit we want to replace jobs with AI?

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I chose those examples specifically because they’re difficult to replace a physical person there

I also aspire(d) to be a physics teacher, but I'm pessimistic about it. Things like khan academy already make "teaching" obsolete, imagine pairing that with an GPT93 agent. 24/7 interactive learning.

All the research I've seen around MOOCs and online only learning is that it's pretty tough for people to stick at, and only 5-10% of people ever complete a course. I just can't see that putting people in front of a computer to do this sort of thing is a good strategy for everyone.

Re: Ask HN: Can we just admit we want to replace jobs with AI?

#106
>Can we just be real and just say we aren't advancing humanity with AI, it is just focused on automating out jobs.

No because that's not real. AI will automate jobs but also advance humanity.

It's like saying can't we be real and admit that tractors and farm machinery were not advancing humanity they were just replacing farm jobs. They replaced some farm jobs but also provided food abundance and let people go off and work as personal trainers and the like to help people lose the weight. And work as scientists, artists etc.

Re: Ask HN: Can we just admit we want to replace jobs with AI?

#107

But how is an individual supposed to "prepare" for AGI? The outcome of further automation will be to move even more capital under the control of an even smaller number of hands. It's that increasing inequality which is the problem, not AGI.

Get a job that requires a human physical presence. Nurse, plumber, etc.

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Re: Ask HN: Can we just admit we want to replace jobs with AI?

#108
post #5

It's not going to happen over night. But even if something radical happens, it will probably play out like Marshall Brain describes in Manna - https://marshallbrain.com/manna1 Not all bad.

All bad except for a tiny enclave of freeholders in Australia or something?

Apparently the manna system falls apart at some point because of "billionaire infighting" and the Australia system prevails.

Re: Ask HN: Can we just admit we want to replace jobs with AI?

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also aspire(d) to be a physics teacher, but I'm pessimistic about it. Things like khan academy already make "teaching" obsolete, imagine pairing that with an GPT93 agent. 24/7 interactive learning.

All the research I've seen around MOOCs and online only learning is that it's pretty tough for people to stick at, and only 5-10% of people ever complete a course. I just can't see that putting people in front of a computer to do this sort of thing is a good strategy for everyone.

Oh of course the AI won't be able to baby sit, we'll still need humans for that ;)
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