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Re: I Met Paul Graham Once

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It seems to me that prigs, as defined in pg's article, are just jumping on the transgender issue because it's an easy way for them to enforce rules. From my understanding, having read both articles, PG might say that the prigs have chosen to ride the lgbt movement. The problem is not with the lgbt movement itself. Unfortunately, this gives the movement a bad reputation. Some prigs aren't lgbt people at all, but they…

>I think PG's problem is with the prigs, not the lgbt movement itself. Can these be separated? You're essentially asking if the LGBT movement can be separated from the exact kind of activism that's enabled the advances in LGBT rights that we've seen since the 1960s. In a word, no, they can't be separated. The 'priggishness' of one or two decades ago is the moral truism of the present. Here, for example, is a spoof fl…

Of course it can be separated. There is no inherent reason the two must be molded together. Zero.

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You don't see a connection between tech CEOs who hoard vast wealth, and a public sphere starved of real investment?

The US government spends 10 trillion dollars year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_spending_in_the_Uni... That's larger than the GDP of all but two countries in the world. That is not starving. On top of that, tech CEOs and highly paid tech workers pay a lot of tax. Far more than they cost the country.

and a lot of it is directly funneled to crony's of the current king...

I doubt DOGE will recommend cuts to SpaceX funding.

I need to remind you that Mush has invented nothing nor is he an engineer. His vast personal wealth is extracted, and at least part of it's vastness is due to corruption. Mush's personal views expressed on his own-media-trumpet Xitter, have hampered more technological innovation than he has ever enabled or paid for.

BTW what's SpaceX carbon footprint like? This 'man' also just paid for a slice of the US presidency that just pulled the US out of a global treaty to attempt to address human-caused climate crises that are unfolding in front of our face on a daily basis as predicted. Mush has done net harm to Earth, not good.

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The internet was a government project. It's laughable to even imagine that if these billionaires didn't exist then nobody else would have invented video chat...

It's not the invention it's the delivery. Consumer goods are delivered by businesses. Delivering new, high tech ones is hard.

no, creating the actual technical standards and the internet is/was hard. monetizing it and walling off sections of it is STEALING FROM THE PUBLIC that which we already PAID for and selling it back to us!

Zoom!? WebRTC! Proprietary XYZ? Standards!

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> socially regressive robber barons At least we got some good universities (and a somewhat functional transcontinental rail system) out of the 19th century iteration. > In 1975 the student body of Stanford University voted to use "Robber Barons" as the nickname for their sports teams. However, school administrators disallowed it, saying it was disrespectful to the school's founder, Leland Stanford [1] It's a shame th…

And polio is largely cured from this generation, and vaccines now exist that prevent diseases that once killed infants, and we have cheap and fast internet everywhere, ... This generation of "robber barons" has very clearly done more good for society than any other group of people of the same size, and I can't imagine how anybody who works in tech can not know of the specific good things they have done or be so confu…

WHAT??? Jonas Salk GAVE the IP for the Polio Vaccine TO THE WORLD FOR FREE!

how dare you say that Billionaires gave us these things. you are telling lies.

Re: I Met Paul Graham Once

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I thought this was better than most essays in this vein. I do fundamentally disagree with the author. People can think poorly of you for whatever reason they want. If someone hates trans people, they can, and you can't stop them. The whole "war on hate" thing was a bad idea; you can't forbid hatred. It predictably didn't work, and it's good that we're turning away from it. Adding on, the trans issue isn't simple. The…

Hatred is extremely infectious, especially in difficult times. If you do not extinguish it, you can end up in a country like Nazi Germany, where it even became encouraged.

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> This generation of "robber barons" has very clearly done more good for society than any other group of people of the same size I'd take Jonas Salk, Norman Borlaug, and Marie Curie over Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Benzos.

Well i meant "group" as in an actual group of people who are all doing roughly the same thing at the same time, like the previous generation of robber barons. But even in this case, I could make a pretty strong case that Salk was less important for the eradication of Polio than Gates, and that Curie will likely be less important in the long run than Zuckerberg on healthcare and biosciences, and a weaker but reasonabl…

no. just NO. look at maps of polio proliferation before/after Jonas Salk, the frikkin guy who DISCOVERED/CREATED the polio vaccine, and then look at maps related to Gates work, which, while admirable, bears no comparison from the night-vs-day world of pre-polio-vaccine vs post-vaccine. Wards of people in iron-lung machines staring at mirrors on the ceiling. It was before your time, but this is no excuse for spouting total nonsense.

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It's interesting to see how tech bros are slowly sliding to the right. The first thing I ever read from Paul was his thing about lisp, and I almost instantly disliked him. There is an intense ego that radiates from his ilk. You see a similar thing with some small business owners. Owning and running a business gives them a feeling of superiority. They feel that they are affluent thanks solely to their own efforts (and…

> tech bros are slowly sliding to the right I see many people confidently and incuriously throw this idea around, meanwhile many of the tech bros are saying “no, I haven’t shifted all that much , the left just went crazy”. [1] I’m not sure which claim is “correct”. Probably breaks one way or another on an individual basis. But it does seem like we should probably give people some credit for introspection versus mind…

I find this idea to be honestly laughable, especially from an American. What's really happening here is pretty simple. You have a guy whose maybe an average amount bigoted, a little but not much. He spends years voting for the Democrat party and supporting Democrats because he is told that doing otherwise means he is bigoted. The issue he has is that he has the aforementioned bigoted views. When he expresses, say a general distrust of trans people, he is condemned as a bigot. So he is faced with two options: change his mind (hard) or deny reality (easy). So he claims that the left used to be distrustful of trans people like he is, but now has changed to be "woke" in accepting them. What really happened is that he discovered he had right-wing views on these matters and that the left did not. This fantasy that the whole world has moved around him, instead of him moving within it, is simply a way to rationalise his beliefs. He is right-wing, but embarrassed about it.

This is quite a common view throughout history. A good example would be the "moderate" white during the civil rights era, who wasn't racist but paradoxically opposed equal rights laws. The world is filled with people who wish to appear progressive, yet do not want to do the often difficult introspection required to embody that belief system. They would like to be seen as a tolerant person without having to let go of their intolerant views.

You need only read a few of this man's tweets to see that he has drifted to the right, along with much of America. Perhaps he always thought like this and just hid it better before. He is, for instance, advocating the abolition of trans healthcare for minors. The Democratic party has never held this view or anything approximating it, yet he claims with this comic it used to be a "centre left" position. Another great tweet that almost entirely disproves his narrative is one where he talks to the white nationalists in his replies. He obviously condemns them as trash, but fails to realise that being regularly exposed to white nationalists who support the same candidate as you is a definite sign of a political shift. It is clearly not something that would have happened to him before and is clearly not the left running away from him, but him running towards white nationalism. He frequently makes tweets mocking peer reviews papers, an anti-intellectual bent which I'm sure he would not have expressed before.

You can see his progress clear as day. He used to be "neutral" on the issue of trans rights (thinking both sides are bad), now he opposes trans rights. He is currently "neutral" on the issue of race (thinking both racists and anti-racists are bad because anti-racism acknowledges that black people deserve help in society which is racist), eventually he will be openly racist. This kinds of both-sides centrism is really just intellectual frailty. Instead of considering the points made, they just point out the aesthetics of the movements and use that to ignore them. "BLM has riots, racists have riots, therefore they are the same and I'm superior to both and they're both wrong." Of course, when you place yourself at the midpoint between people who want equality and people who are racist, you are a moderate racist and not a moderate civil rights activist.

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How was the campaign "woke" unless you define "trans people exist and should be supported" as woke? If Graham dislikes prigs, shouldn't he be criticizing the censorious social conservatives that led the boycott?

I define "trying to market a beer that's commonly drunk by Republicans using a trans influencer" as woke because it's: A) ineffective at marketing the beer, because it prioritises a social justice objective instead (making it a political stance) B) ineffective at changing any Bud drinker's mind on trans people, because it prioritises aggressive performance (making it woke) The problem is not "oh, trans people exist,…

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Re: I Met Paul Graham Once

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If it goes against your personal beliefs to call someone what they prefer to be called at no expense to yourself, then you need some new personal beliefs.

What about neopronouns? Can someone just make up a new set of words like zi / zim / zis and expect you to remember them whenever talking to or about that person?

I already have to remember people’s names, what’s the difference?
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