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I Met Paul Graham Once

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Re: I Met Paul Graham Once

#22
My guess is there are two possibilities as to what's going on:

* Many tech pioneers and leaders deep down felt an animosity towards supporting people who didn't fit the mold and finally feel free to express it (the worst-case outcome), and/or

* Many tech pioneers and leaders wish to continue supporting those who don't fit the mold but feel their own status threatened by figures with nearly infinite power[0] who disagree.

The former are simply the intolerant coming up for air. The latter exhibit a cowardice, though there's a subpoint to that second bullet: there could be some in this crowd who prefer to conform to but then dismantle the power structures enabling hatred from within, but these people likely won't be known for a while, and it'll be difficult to predict who's acting subversively in this way. Though given PG's narrowly scoped essay, there's a reasonable chance that this is his footing.

The best people can do is assume the least-worst case - the cowardice - and instead seek to either craft themselves as the people they wish to see... and/or protect oneself from the rising tides of hatred.

[0] https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf

Re: I Met Paul Graham Once

#23
post #9

In the long run I think realizations like the authors are healthy ones. PG is not a hero. He's just a guy. A guy who entered into business transactions with a number of people, many of whom benefitted greatly (as did Paul himself). I'm not saying any of that as a negative! Just that we have a habit of attributing superhuman characteristics to folks (Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize comes to mind) and ending up dis…

>My only consolation is knowing that I'm seeing the world more accurately than I used to.

also known as growing older ;-)

Re: I Met Paul Graham Once

#24
Great, cohesive, and clear essay! Hear hear.

One thing that I think is underappreciated in our current times, that gets lost on both the left and the right sides -- an individual is more important than their identity.

- A specific trans person can also be an asshole.

- A specific white man can also be a saint.

Extremists on both political sides will scream about the reasons one or the other of those statements is wrong, but doing so lumps all possible individuals of an identity into a "them" category to which blanket statements, positive or negative, can be applied.

That reductionism feels incredibly insulting to our shared, innate humanity.

Are there all kinds of subconscious and societal biases that seriously influence our perceptions of others on the basis of their identity? Sure!

But it doesn't change the goal of treating the person standing in front of you, first and foremost and always, as an individual person.

Be curious. Be courteous and respectful. Be a normal, nice goddamn human to human across the table from you.

(And maybe, if you feel so inclined, have some compassion about what they did to get to that table)

Re: I Met Paul Graham Once

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post #23
post #9

In the long run I think realizations like the authors are healthy ones. PG is not a hero. He's just a guy. A guy who entered into business transactions with a number of people, many of whom benefitted greatly (as did Paul himself). I'm not saying any of that as a negative! Just that we have a habit of attributing superhuman characteristics to folks (Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize comes to mind) and ending up dis…

>My only consolation is knowing that I'm seeing the world more accurately than I used to. also known as growing older ;-)

For sure. I almost included something in my comment about "I guess this is what getting old is like", losing your idealism as you age. But equally, maybe not. If I'd grown up in, I dunno the 60s? I would have witnessed enormous leaps in technological possibility and enormous increases in standards of living, personal freedoms, yadda yadda. In my youth it felt like there was a viable future where tech enabled radical positive changes in society. Instead we concentrated wealth at the top of society at historically unprecedented levels.

Re: I Met Paul Graham Once

#26

You should have finished reading PG's essay. It's really quite narrowly scoped. There's no indication I could see that he doesn't still hold the same basically liberal politics (he included explicit disclaimers, for all the good that did); he might still be fine with transgender identity. He just wanted to talk about how the particular loudmouth brand of annoying leftist came to prominence. He even had a decent defin…

> It would be great if people could discuss these issues rationally, but the vast majority can't. Everyone is on a hair trigger.

If only we in the tech industry could blame social media on anyone but ourselves :(

Re: I Met Paul Graham Once

#28

Can't help but OP might have been better engaging with PG's Wokeness article itself (it's full of holes, and probably one of the weakest he's written), than talking about what they think the article said made them feel. Ironically the Wokeness article does what most people accuse "wokeness" of doing, predetermining its conclusion, and then shoehorning in a bunch of loosely connected facts and phenomena to support tha…

It's not a direct criticism of the PG article, the OP is examining a broader cultural phenomena right now. PGs scribbles were just one example.
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