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Re: Right to root access

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Post by notorandit »

fsflover wrote: post #418
notorandit wrote: post #417

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Fair! But 0.000001% of the market is hardly a point.

The problem with your comment is that you didn't suggest any solution.

Because there is none. Freedom is a game. Are you really free to bake your own bread? (Think about wheat, mills, water, salt, yeast, energy, oven...).

I simply point to the fact that you have no control. Just it's illusion.

Ask yourself, how can law enforcement push a software trojan into any mobile phone without physically touching it.

Re: Right to root access

#422

Post by fsflover »

notorandit wrote: post #421
fsflover wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with your comment is that you didn't suggest any solution.

Because there is none. Freedom is a game. Are you really free to bake your own bread? (Think about wheat, mills, water, salt, yeast, energy, oven...). I simply point to the fact that you have no control. Just it's illusion. Ask yourself, how can law enforcement push a software trojan into any mobile phone without physically touching it.

> Ask yourself, how can law enforcement push a software trojan into any mobile phone without physically touching it.

Can they?

> Are you really free to bake your own bread? (Think about

Yes. It's not easy, but it's not impossible. You have to fight for your freedom to get it.

Re: Right to root access

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Post by notorandit »

fsflover wrote: post #422
notorandit wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there is none. Freedom is a game. Are you really free to bake your own bread? (Think about wheat, mills, water, salt, yeast, energy, oven...). I simply point to the fact that you have no control. Just it's illusion. Ask yourself, how can law enforcement push a software trojan into any mobile phone without physically touching it.

> Ask yourself, how can law enforcement push a software trojan into any mobile phone without physically touching it. Can they? > Are you really free to bake your own bread? (Think about Yes. It's not easy, but it's not impossible. You have to fight for your freedom to get it.

Yes, they can. This is another reason for having closed source blobs running as root under Linux/Android to manage all communication.

You cannot fight for this, unless you design both the communication hardware and its firmware and you get away from Google Play.

Re: Right to root access

#424

Post by fsflover »

notorandit wrote: post #423
fsflover wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ask yourself, how can law enforcement push a software trojan into any mobile phone without physically touching it. Can they? > Are you really free to bake your own bread? (Think about Yes. It's not easy, but it's not impossible. You have to fight for your freedom to get it.

Yes, they can. This is another reason for having closed source blobs running as root under Linux/Android to manage all communication. You cannot fight for this, unless you design both the communication hardware and its firmware and you get away from Google Play.

> You cannot fight for this, unless design both the communication hardware and its firmware

This is exactly what my phone is. There are no blobs. It runs FSF-endorsed PureOS. Using it is fighting.

Re: Right to root access

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Post by metalman »

Telemakhos wrote: post #207
metalman wrote: post #172

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my fuel injected chain saw, has a data port, but luckily, my back woods repair shop showed me the computerless,seasonal re-tune procedure that only requires a stop watch, works a charm As to other devices....phones, we need a whole re write of the privacy and publishing laws, to allow each person to regulate themselves. With an ultra basic "standard" set up for the masses who do want to be entertained, while having b…

You've left out one important player here: it's not just about the manufacturers and the masses yearning for entertainment, but also about the surveillance industry. Phones in particular, but computers in general, are increasingly important for surveilling the population in novel ways that AI opens up. Giving people root access on their tracking equipment would jeopardize its surveillance functions, because people mi…

AI is never going to give solid consistent evauluation of humans at the idividual level.And AI might very well prove to be able to assist in the extraction of profits, exponentialy faster than wealth can be created, and eat the floors and foundations it sits on. We long ago passed the threshold of where human masses can be pushed and manipulated into what are then rampaging rioters, by mistake. Remember the deadly waffleiron and kicks stampedes? where marketers, whipped up demand for a totaly inconsequential item, to where people DID kill and die trying to get there first.This is the hint about where the limits of human control lie, and just how usefull MORE information will be.

Re: Right to root access

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Post by notorandit »

fsflover wrote: post #424
notorandit wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they can. This is another reason for having closed source blobs running as root under Linux/Android to manage all communication. You cannot fight for this, unless you design both the communication hardware and its firmware and you get away from Google Play.

> You cannot fight for this, unless design both the communication hardware and its firmware This is exactly what my phone is. There are no blobs. It runs FSF-endorsed PureOS. Using it is fighting.

3GB RAM? 4G only? No, thanks.

And, btw, are you running Google Play services?

In this case, all of your efforts have been made useless.

Re: Right to root access

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Post by fsflover »

notorandit wrote: post #426
fsflover wrote: post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You cannot fight for this, unless design both the communication hardware and its firmware This is exactly what my phone is. There are no blobs. It runs FSF-endorsed PureOS. Using it is fighting.

3GB RAM? 4G only? No, thanks. And, btw, are you running Google Play services? In this case, all of your efforts have been made useless.

AFAIK you can't run Google Play services on GNU/Linux.

> 3GB RAM? 4G only?

Fighting, you know, requires some compromises. See also: https://puri.sm/posts/the-danger-of-focusing-on-specs/

Re: Right to root access

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Post by nirui »

oneshtein wrote: post #405
freedomben wrote: post #401

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They're part of Android. Android is not Linux and Linux is not Android, anymore than a car is a wheel and a wheel is a car. Don't confuse the foundation with the building. Here's the API reference if you'd like details [1]. They are very much not just standard Linux permissions. Android includes a huge set of APIs on top of Linux [1] https://developer.android.com/reference/android/Manifest.per...

KDE and Gnome also implement tons of API on top of Linux ecosystem. Android is Linux system, because it based on Linux.

You've fully misunderstood the concept don't you?

KDE and Gnome are desktop environments that runs on top of an OS, they themselves are categorically not OS, and they don't provide OS facilitates. They don't even directly talk to RAM or core hardware without an OS managing everything in the middle.

Android is all by itself an OS, it got everything an OS should have, scheduler/trap handling, runtime, system apis/syscalls all the good stuff. It's just happened that Android currently runs on top of Linux kernel, and it utilizes the kernel to provide some aforementioned facilitates, so yes you can say Android builds On Top of Linux, but that's not saying Android Is Linux, the sentences simply mean different things.

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