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The Toyota Prius transformed the auto industry

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Re: The Toyota Prius transformed the auto industry

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Post by jgilias »

loeg wrote: post #132
jgilias wrote: post #36

I sometimes chuckle that most of the cool Lexuses are now Priuses under the hood! But that’s a good thing. I own a Toyota Corolla hybrid myself, and hybrids are one of those things that I can say I’ve completely changed my mind about. I used to dislike the idea of hybrids, because I assumed that the overall system complexity must be higher than either an ICE, or an EV. And I’m a sucker for simple systems, so I though…

I wish Toyota would make enough Siennas to satisfy demand. Instead, there's are long wait lists at dealers.

I wish they just sold Siennas in Europe…

:hide_the_pain:

Re: The Toyota Prius transformed the auto industry

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Post by philwelch »

jgilias wrote: post #36

I sometimes chuckle that most of the cool Lexuses are now Priuses under the hood! But that’s a good thing. I own a Toyota Corolla hybrid myself, and hybrids are one of those things that I can say I’ve completely changed my mind about. I used to dislike the idea of hybrids, because I assumed that the overall system complexity must be higher than either an ICE, or an EV. And I’m a sucker for simple systems, so I though…

I used to drive a Prius until the hybrid battery system died, and the quote to replace it was a significant fraction of the value of the entire vehicle. I’ve driven ICE ever since.

My goal is usually to drive my vehicle all the way into the ground, and I guess that’s what happened to my Prius except it happened around if not before 150,000 miles.

Re: The Toyota Prius transformed the auto industry

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Post by IX-103 »

fortran77 wrote: post #59
philistine wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's pretend regenerative braking doesn't exist.

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So does everything. Everything runs off of entropic decay of the universe.

Almost all the power we use is solar (stored energy from the sun). Nuclear is an exception, in that the energy didn't come from Sol, but some other star that went Nova in the ancient past.

Anyway, a Prius was a "hybrid" in the same sense as previous gas-electric cars and is the same nomenclature used for diesel trains with electric drive.

Re: The Toyota Prius transformed the auto industry

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Post by philwelch »

sandoze wrote: post #108

I know all cars can’t be perfect but as a 2010 Prius owner (I probably shouldn’t complain given it’s 15 years old) it has had several well documented issues that never prompted a recall. I was hit with a bad oil gasket that causes the engine to burn oil. It’s so much work to replace their solution is to replace the entire engine. My solution is to keep putting oil in it. I was told by the dealer this is common over 7…

My 2024 Corolla supports Apple CarPlay.

Re: The Toyota Prius transformed the auto industry

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Post by philwelch »

warner25 wrote: post #95
DoneWithAllThat wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Hope gets their mojo back” is certainly a take.

I feel the same way as the parent comment. They're number two for now, but seem screwed in a world that's moving towards outlawing gasoline-powered cars. Their bets on hydrogen fuel cells haven't yielded anything, and now they're a decade behind on developing EV experience and expertise. I've owned three Toyotas because they've always seemed to be the lowest total-cost-of-ownership option, being especially good in th…

> They're number two for now, but seem screwed in a world that's moving towards outlawing gasoline-powered cars.

I wouldn’t worry about that anymore.

Re: The Toyota Prius transformed the auto industry

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Post by ezfe »

sandoze wrote: post #108

I know all cars can’t be perfect but as a 2010 Prius owner (I probably shouldn’t complain given it’s 15 years old) it has had several well documented issues that never prompted a recall. I was hit with a bad oil gasket that causes the engine to burn oil. It’s so much work to replace their solution is to replace the entire engine. My solution is to keep putting oil in it. I was told by the dealer this is common over 7…

All Toyotas have CarPlay for years now

Re: The Toyota Prius transformed the auto industry

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Post by cyberax »

usrusr wrote: post #140
jgilias wrote: post #36

I sometimes chuckle that most of the cool Lexuses are now Priuses under the hood! But that’s a good thing. I own a Toyota Corolla hybrid myself, and hybrids are one of those things that I can say I’ve completely changed my mind about. I used to dislike the idea of hybrids, because I assumed that the overall system complexity must be higher than either an ICE, or an EV. And I’m a sucker for simple systems, so I though…

I would not call a CVT "not a gearbox". Were Audis equipped with their multitronic option (not in any way related to hybrid or BEV) "cars without a gearbox"?

A traditional CVT is a different beast. Prius is more accurately described as having a power-split gearbox that can dynamically split the power between the gasoline engine and the electric motor.

Re: The Toyota Prius transformed the auto industry

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Post by jgilias »

usrusr wrote: post #140
jgilias wrote: post #36

I sometimes chuckle that most of the cool Lexuses are now Priuses under the hood! But that’s a good thing. I own a Toyota Corolla hybrid myself, and hybrids are one of those things that I can say I’ve completely changed my mind about. I used to dislike the idea of hybrids, because I assumed that the overall system complexity must be higher than either an ICE, or an EV. And I’m a sucker for simple systems, so I though…

I would not call a CVT "not a gearbox". Were Audis equipped with their multitronic option (not in any way related to hybrid or BEV) "cars without a gearbox"?

Yeah, I’d say “not a gearbox”. A gearbox to me is something where there are actual gears engaging and disengaging leading to wear and tear. Doesn’t matter what kind of fancy electronics are then used to hide the mechanical operation from me.

A mechanical CVT with belts and pulleys with changing diameters is even worse.

What the hybrids (e-CVT ones) have though is basically a planetary gear set, where the gears are put together at the factory, and stay there for the life of the car.

To me that’s not a gearbox. At least not in the traditional sense. Transmission sure.

Re: The Toyota Prius transformed the auto industry

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Post by warner25 »

philwelch wrote: post #145
warner25 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel the same way as the parent comment. They're number two for now, but seem screwed in a world that's moving towards outlawing gasoline-powered cars. Their bets on hydrogen fuel cells haven't yielded anything, and now they're a decade behind on developing EV experience and expertise. I've owned three Toyotas because they've always seemed to be the lowest total-cost-of-ownership option, being especially good in th…

> They're number two for now, but seem screwed in a world that's moving towards outlawing gasoline-powered cars. I wouldn’t worry about that anymore.

For the next 2-4 years, sure, but this seems like a longer-term trend towards something that's going to happen eventually.

Re: The Toyota Prius transformed the auto industry

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Post by cyberax »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #139
hammock wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn’t sound as cool though. Maybe the Mustang team was onto something when they were playing supplementary fake engine sounds in the cabin speakers

Could you imagine if the Ford Model T had coconuts installed to mimic the sound of a horse's feet?

Or a pile of manure in the trunk to simulate the smell.
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