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What if no one misses TikTok?

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Re: What if no one misses TikTok?

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Because we don't like what the US government and their corporate overlords are doing?

Gen Z will have a rude awakening if they think the Chinese government is in anyway better

They do not

But also I care a lot less about the CCP because they have very little impact on my day to day

Re: What if no one misses TikTok?

#52

I think there’s a lot of good reasons to ban TT… It’s in American security interests to limit CCP’s access to American location data and ability to pipe propaganda into our eyeballs. But setting the ban to go into effect one day before the next President takes office is brazenly political and undermines the actually-important problem that TikTok represents. When Twitter got weird, Bluesky was ready to come in as a to…

Instagram Reels and YouTube Shorts are already trying to replace TT and failing. They really are nowhere near as good.

Re: What if no one misses TikTok?

#53

I'm not sure it's the right thing to ban TikTok, but I'm not surprised people aren't protesting in the streets. My feeling is that most people are addicted to these apps, not using them for the utility or pleasure they bring. These users have a deep down sense that they'd be better off without these apps. Instagram won't be banned, but if it were I think there might be a similar non-reaction.

> My feeling is that most people are addicted to these apps, not using them for the utility or pleasure they bring. ...I find it interesting to think about whether using something due to addiction means you wouldn't protest if it's forcibly taken away. In other words, I wonder if people would protest if cigarettes were banned.

If anything, I'd expect addicts to fight the hardest when someone takes their "drug" away

Re: What if no one misses TikTok?

#55

Ever since I started using social media platforms, some 22 years ago, I've been through six platforms. Those platforms were once teeming with life, but eventually got shut down, bought out, or just died a natural death. Every time people were up in arms, but eventually migrated somewhere else. People will use something else.

But just because people migrate somewhere else doesn't mean they don't miss those old platforms. Many of these old platforms had unique aspects that were never quite replicated in later platforms

Re: What if no one misses TikTok?

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because we don't like what the US government and their corporate overlords are doing?

Imagine thinking the U.S. govt and corporate overlords are terrible because they’re banning TikTok and getting back at them by going to a Chinese app. China, the country which has a literal firewall preventing their people from getting information that isn’t vetted, bans nearly every external app because they don’t have control over it, and most ironically, never allowed TikTok, whose banning you think makes the U.S.…

Most people I’ve seen are going on about either

1) the novelty of talking to entirely new people, which is a relative rarity since the early, heady days of MySpace when social media was new and gardens felt much less walled. For Gen Z, it might actually be a first given their average age; or

2) how the lives of average people compare to theirs and compare to their prior notions of what they thought life was like

These seem to go both ways btw, e.g. Chinese people being amazed that we really do need to pay for ambulance rides and that it’s not just govt propaganda. People are going where interesting things are happening, it’s plain and simple.

Re: What if no one misses TikTok?

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because we don't like what the US government and their corporate overlords are doing?

Imagine thinking the U.S. govt and corporate overlords are terrible because they’re banning TikTok and getting back at them by going to a Chinese app. China, the country which has a literal firewall preventing their people from getting information that isn’t vetted, bans nearly every external app because they don’t have control over it, and most ironically, never allowed TikTok, whose banning you think makes the U.S.…

An American and a Chinese citizen are having a discussion on Rednote about freedom in their respective countries. The American proudly says:

"In America, we have true freedom! I can stand in front of the White House and shout, 'I don’t like the President!' and nothing will happen to me."

The Chinese citizen thoughtfully replies:

"We have the same freedom in China. I can stand in front of Tiananmen Square and shout, 'I don’t like the American President!' and nothing will happen to me either."

Re: What if no one misses TikTok?

#58

I think there’s a lot of good reasons to ban TT… It’s in American security interests to limit CCP’s access to American location data and ability to pipe propaganda into our eyeballs. But setting the ban to go into effect one day before the next President takes office is brazenly political and undermines the actually-important problem that TikTok represents. When Twitter got weird, Bluesky was ready to come in as a to…

then limit selling location data.

every car app and toaster sells that stuff in the free market

propaganda is the point- or as importantly, the inability to hush or neuter 'anti-american' viewpoints

US govt has propaganda too: schools are now required to teach that "1,500,000,000 people suffer under communism"

Re: What if no one misses TikTok?

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China doesn't claim that free speech and personal freedom are part of their core values

Sure but what would that have to do with this action here? TikTok isn’t being banned because of free speech or not but because the usage of their algorithms allows the app to influence how Americans think about different issues. China has recognized this as a threat and as such has banned foreign adversary social media companies from operating within its borders. Likewise the United States has recognized that this is…

The US also has an enshrined freedom of association, and I personally believe the association rights of those users is being violated.

Moreover it seems like security theater.

Re: What if no one misses TikTok?

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine thinking the U.S. govt and corporate overlords are terrible because they’re banning TikTok and getting back at them by going to a Chinese app. China, the country which has a literal firewall preventing their people from getting information that isn’t vetted, bans nearly every external app because they don’t have control over it, and most ironically, never allowed TikTok, whose banning you think makes the U.S.…

An American and a Chinese citizen are having a discussion on Rednote about freedom in their respective countries. The American proudly says: "In America, we have true freedom! I can stand in front of the White House and shout, 'I don’t like the President!' and nothing will happen to me." The Chinese citizen thoughtfully replies: "We have the same freedom in China. I can stand in front of Tiananmen Square and shout, '…

shouting is allowed because the powers that be know it is ineffective

if its looking like it wont be they gun you down. see: occupy wall st., unionization efforts

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