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Can you read this cursive handwriting? The National Archives wants your help

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Re: Can you read this cursive handwriting? The National Archives wants your help

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Today I learned that in the us children are not taught cursive handwriting. This is rather absurd to me. How are they supposed to write?

In print? In general its faster to write and a lot easier to read, also you save time by not having to learn two different systems.

Re: Can you read this cursive handwriting? The National Archives wants your help

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Before commenting asking about why they don't just use LLMs, please note that the article specifically calls out that they do, but it's not always a viable solution: > The agency uses artificial intelligence and a technology known as optical character recognition to extract text from historical documents. But these methods don’t always work, and they aren’t always accurate. The document at the top is likely an especi…

Still, the fact that they’re combining AI and human effort makes sense

Re: Can you read this cursive handwriting? The National Archives wants your help

#113

Ok I did one letter, from a woman in 1814 writing to James Monroe (then Secretary of State) asking for a passport to go to Scotland to get her late brother's property. What a trip! So enjoyable to get into the flow once you've "synchronized" with the persons handwriting. Furthermore, due to the fact that you're reading and re-writing word for word of whatever you're transcribing, the stories you end up reading have t…

I love the idea of "synchronizing" with someone’s handwriting

Re: Can you read this cursive handwriting? The National Archives wants your help

#114

Today I learned that in the us children are not taught cursive handwriting. This is rather absurd to me. How are they supposed to write?

In print? In general its faster to write and a lot easier to read, also you save time by not having to learn two different systems.

Let me disagree. IMHO cursive is faster than print once you get the hang of it.

However my point is valid for print too I guess.

Regarding time saved and the fact that they are two different systems, I don't get it. Time saved for what? They are not so different, cursive is built on top of print, just optimized for not lifting the pen from the paper too often (hence it is supposedly faster to write).

Re: Can you read this cursive handwriting? The National Archives wants your help

#116

Today I learned that in the us children are not taught cursive handwriting. This is rather absurd to me. How are they supposed to write?

In print? In general its faster to write and a lot easier to read, also you save time by not having to learn two different systems.

It's definitely not faster to write. That's kind of the whole point. Also it's barely a "different" system. You just join the letters together. In the UK it's called "joined-up writing" and everyone learns it in primary school where there is plenty of time for learning.

It is definitely easier to read print though - for a lot of people's handwriting anyway. It's much easier to be lazy and just do an illegible scrawl with joined-up writing than print.

It varies a lot though; I had a PhD supervisor whose handwriting was illegible to everyone - even himself! My wife's handwriting on the other hand is practically a font.

Print is just so slow to write...

Re: Can you read this cursive handwriting? The National Archives wants your help

#117
Prompt:

  You are a paleologist specializing in analysis of cursive handwriting; tell me what the following text says: (pasting the picture).
Output:

  The following is the declaration of James Lambert, a soldier of the Revolutionary War in North America.

  The said James Lambert this day personally appeared in the Probate Court of the County of Dearborn in the state of Indiana and at the November Term of said court (1841), it being a court for claims created by the laws of Indiana and makes oath that:

  "On the 25th day of March 1842, he will be eighty-five years old; that he was born in the state of Maryland; that he is now a resident of said county and has been for the 27 years last past; that he has lived in Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania ..."

Re: Can you read this cursive handwriting? The National Archives wants your help

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post #117

Prompt: You are a paleologist specializing in analysis of cursive handwriting; tell me what the following text says: (pasting the picture). Output: The following is the declaration of James Lambert, a soldier of the Revolutionary War in North America. The said James Lambert this day personally appeared in the Probate Court of the County of Dearborn in the state of Indiana and at the November Term of said court (1841)…

Might be in the training data:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=8997844...

Re: Can you read this cursive handwriting? The National Archives wants your help

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Before commenting asking about why they don't just use LLMs, please note that the article specifically calls out that they do, but it's not always a viable solution: > The agency uses artificial intelligence and a technology known as optical character recognition to extract text from historical documents. But these methods don’t always work, and they aren’t always accurate. The document at the top is likely an especi…

OK, fair enough, but can you find one in this article that's hard for an LLM? The gnarliest one I saw, 4o handled instantly, and I went back and looked carefully at the image and the text and I'm sold. Like if this is a crowdsourcing project, why not do a first pass with an LLM and present users with both the image and the best-effort LLM pass? Later I signed up, went to the current missions, and they all seem to pos…

Real quick, how long do you think chatgpto4 has existed? How long do you think the National Archive has been archiving?
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