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I've been advocating for RSS support, and you should too

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Re: I've been advocating for RSS support, and you should too

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RSS is great. Most blog engines support RSS by default. Podcasts typically use RSS (even if the app goes to great length to hide it). I sometimes wonder why there is so much push for "federation" and so few for... well just simple interoperable solutions that just require a client to connect to whatever server it wants with a well-known protocol.

Where I have RSS feeds from news sites, I usually skim down the list of titles, read an article (in my feed) if it's interesting, and then move on. I never visit their website, I don't see their adverts, their tracking scripts can't run, and I don't see or interact with their comments. Which is great for me as the end user - but makes it much harder for them to monetise.

> makes it much harder for them to monetise.

On the other hand, RSS definitely provides extra opportunities to monitise. Imagine your business provides a customisable "offers" feed so you can tell interested parties when a sale occurs, etc. Businesses should be falling over themselves to get that kind of engagement.

Re: I've been advocating for RSS support, and you should too

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how much of a PITA is it to add RSS to your own site?

Not much at all. If you are using a static site generator, they usually support it out of the box.

Recently, one of my posts hit the front page here, and a few people emailed me asking for an RSS[1] feed. It turned out that it was just a simple config update to enable this on Hugo.

Other SSGs usually support it out of the box too. Plus, it’s not too hard to build the XML from your HTML if you want to build it yourself from scratch.

[1]: https://rednafi.com/index.xml

Re: I've been advocating for RSS support, and you should too

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As a general PSA, youtube channels have an RSS feed to alert you when a favourite creator releases a new video. The form is https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=UC2wdo5v... where channel_id is the channel hash code which is buried in the source for the "nicely named" channel: https://www.youtube.com/@CuttingEdgeEngineering and can be found without source diving via (say) FeedBro (RSS browser extension)…

I highly recommend Feedbro as an RSS reader.

Re: I've been advocating for RSS support, and you should too

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Question about the RSS spec: When pulling RSS, how do you know how often to poll? How do you know which items have been seen previously?

> how do you know how often to poll?

I would guess a combination of frequency from sitemap.xml, last modified http header, and past heuristics. Previously viewed items would, I think, need to be cached in the client (unless the RSS URL uses some kind of token to identify the user, which sounds ripe for abuse).

Re: I've been advocating for RSS support, and you should too

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As a general PSA, youtube channels have an RSS feed to alert you when a favourite creator releases a new video. The form is https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=UC2wdo5v... where channel_id is the channel hash code which is buried in the source for the "nicely named" channel: https://www.youtube.com/@CuttingEdgeEngineering and can be found without source diving via (say) FeedBro (RSS browser extension)…

That's good to know. The number of times I have subscribed to someone on YouTube only to not see anything from them in years, and then find tens of their videos YouTube never offered is just insane. So many times I can't find anything to watch on YouTube and it just isn't showing me any of my subscriptions, it's ridiculous.

The first three menu items in the navbar of the authenticated YouTube homepage are 'Home', 'Shorts', and 'Subscriptions'. 'Subscriptions' shows exactly what's on the tin, a timeline of videos from your subscribed channels.

Re: I've been advocating for RSS support, and you should too

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Podcasts typically use RSS I would even say that a podcast that does not support RSS is not a podcast, it is something else.

I would be curious why you think the idea of a podcast is coupled to a specific distribution technology

It goes much further than that: as the name suggests, it's coupled to a specific, obsolete brand of device.

Re: I've been advocating for RSS support, and you should too

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If RSS could solve the problem it would have done so a decade ago. The core issue is that browsers have completely failed at offering anything to keep track of websites. Why aren't notifications simply build into the bookmark system? I don't need the website to provide that information via yet another special format, my browser should be able to figure that out itself from plain .html. But bookmarks haven't changed o…

Switching to the phone home screen was like we skipped a few dozen iterations.

Or wait, that was just a clone from the pc desktop which was a clone from the 1973 Xerox Alto.

https://design.tutsplus.com/articles/know-your-icons-part-1-...

Ah yes, how familiar it looks...

My joke since the 90's: Mosaic had full text history search!! It aged well I must say.

With all the money coming in from google it was hard for Mozilla to understand the point of subscribing to RSS or organizing what one finds online. For google it must have been even more incomprehensible.

Re: I've been advocating for RSS support, and you should too

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Question about the RSS spec: When pulling RSS, how do you know how often to poll? How do you know which items have been seen previously?

RSS can be polled as frequently or infrequently as you like, it's just a bit of XML hosted by a site which lists content or links to content.

Tracking what's been read or not isn't done by the RSS feed or whoever hosts it, it's performed by the user's feed reader, which be just a local app on your phone or PC, or it might be a cloud service, either hosted (like Feedly) or self-hosted (using ie. FreshRSS).

Re: I've been advocating for RSS support, and you should too

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RSS is great. Most blog engines support RSS by default. Podcasts typically use RSS (even if the app goes to great length to hide it). I sometimes wonder why there is so much push for "federation" and so few for... well just simple interoperable solutions that just require a client to connect to whatever server it wants with a well-known protocol.

> Podcasts typically use RSS I would even say that a podcast that does not support RSS is not a podcast, it is something else.

I'd say that the only thing that reliably differentiates a _podcast_ from a _radio show_ is just that the podcast's method of delivery is RSS.
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