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Re: Phonegap 2.0 released

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Phonegap is nothing more than a stopgap for people that can't afford iOS devs. I can think of no benefits for the end user. It's a sloppy solution. Better off just doing a mobile web app instead.

This is pure, unadulterated FUD. If your advice is to just do a mobile web app, what on earth is wrong with packaging it up into a phonegap app so that you can access a few extra APIs?

It's misleading.

Users have a higher expectation of quality from native apps than webapps.

Re: Phonegap 2.0 released

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is pure, unadulterated FUD. If your advice is to just do a mobile web app, what on earth is wrong with packaging it up into a phonegap app so that you can access a few extra APIs?

It's misleading. Users have a higher expectation of quality from native apps than webapps.

Those expectations don't reflect reality. Look at the quora and linkedin apps. They are mostly web views and no one would even know if you didn't tell them. I will admit the performance characteristics of javascript are much more complex compared to objective-C, but the tradeoff is that you can share most of the code across platforms, and you can iterate much faster without app store approvals. On the other hand, if the mobile web was ready, phonegap would not exist at all. At the very least, it's more nuanced than one platform being superior than the other for any category of application, barring games.

Re: Phonegap 2.0 released

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's misleading. Users have a higher expectation of quality from native apps than webapps.

Those expectations don't reflect reality. Look at the quora and linkedin apps. They are mostly web views and no one would even know if you didn't tell them. I will admit the performance characteristics of javascript are much more complex compared to objective-C, but the tradeoff is that you can share most of the code across platforms, and you can iterate much faster without app store approvals. On the other hand, if…

In my experience, on an iPhone 4S HTML5 apps feel exactly as fast and responsive as native apps, and phones are only going to get faster.

Re: Phonegap 2.0 released

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Phonegap is nothing more than a stopgap for people that can't afford iOS devs. I can think of no benefits for the end user. It's a sloppy solution. Better off just doing a mobile web app instead.

How many apps have you developed in html5?

Re: Phonegap 2.0 released

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Used Phonegap on 2 projects and I have to say, never again. If you want to have the job done right and you want a quality product, go native. We lost days(weeks even) of time chasing an obscure bug in the location tracking of Phonegap. Also, the end result wasn't very good to be honest. It lacked the fluidity and responsiveness you have with native apps. sure, you can develop things 2 as fast but then you spend all t…

This has also been my experience. Phonegap should work for the subset of apps that could have just been done as a mobile app to start with. If you need to do anything that might push the device native is the only way to go.

Re: Phonegap 2.0 released

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Phonegap is nothing more than a stopgap for people that can't afford iOS devs. I can think of no benefits for the end user. It's a sloppy solution. Better off just doing a mobile web app instead.

> Phonegap is nothing more than a stopgap for people that can't afford iOS devs. I can think of no benefits for the end user.

Getting the product sooner. After all, if getting the product sooner isn't a benefit, then the product probably isn't worth building.

Re: Phonegap 2.0 released

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post #24

I gave this a shot and am already having a huge amount more trouble working with the command line interface than I did with the > v1.9 xcode template. The way it's put together is not elegant at all - it's used as a command line tool, but they just drop you a random folder which has the executables and a few other folders that the executable references, so it can't be copied to /usr/local/bin, nor can it be symlinked…

I just downloaded the newest release and installed the DMG inside the zipfile, then went to the folder i downloaded and inside the /lib/ios/bin directory and ran ./create --args

When i press "run" in xcode i get a simulator with the app. Looks pretty smooth.

In terms of building, they offer this online as well, right?

Re: Phonegap 2.0 released

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post #7

Used Phonegap on 2 projects and I have to say, never again. If you want to have the job done right and you want a quality product, go native. We lost days(weeks even) of time chasing an obscure bug in the location tracking of Phonegap. Also, the end result wasn't very good to be honest. It lacked the fluidity and responsiveness you have with native apps. sure, you can develop things 2 as fast but then you spend all t…

Not all apps use native controls. Not all apps should be built on PhoneGap. At my company, we need to build apps rapidly. By rapid, I mean 1 week for a testable product. I have a app skeleton that implements backbone.js and some "native" css controls ready to go. I can easily turn around an app in that time. Is it as fast as native? No. Do most people notice that? No. Does it prove the app concept we were trying to t…

you're describing a totally different scenario, as a rapid prototyping tool I can totally see why you would choose Phonegap over native code. but as something to give to the end user? not so much.

Although with Interface Builder and some wiring you can quickly mock something up as well. But it probably would go faster in Phonegap to go from PSD to app.

I don't agree 100% with most people not noticing though. I do feel a smooth app adds to the overal experience.

I tested the first app they showed in the Phonegap gallery and it has that typical Phonegap feel to it: laggy response and glitchy transitions. It gives the app a sloppy feel. Maybe people won't notice, but it's not a fun app to use.

Re: Phonegap 2.0 released

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I've seen at least one unreleased product that has achieved almost a Path-like experience (dead serious) in Mobile Webkit Safari on the iPad 1, 2 and 3. It's doable and not as hard as you think once you, but it takes embracing everything modern browsers offer you and not building with backwards compatibility in mind. It has yet to be packaged in PhoneGap for the AppStore, but from my understanding the javascript engine available in PhoneGap apps is more performatic.
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