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The real reason we’re upset about Sparrow’s acquisition

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Re: The real reason we’re upset about Sparrow’s acquisition

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a British person who voted Lib Dem, I'd need a lot more than a "promise" to quell my worries.

If it was part of the license agreement? I don't know how enforceable this would be in practice though. Perhaps a neutral third party gets code access and a contract with the developer and users as to when/if it will be released?

It can just be a simple contract, like this http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.p...

Re: The real reason we’re upset about Sparrow’s acquisition

#22
It's all about value creation. Assuming every party here is rational: Google decides to pay for the Sparrow team only because the potential value of these developers is much higher than the price they pay. And Sparrow team accepted the offer only because the big pay check exceeds the value all their own customers combined.

If we hate this, we can either make such talent acquisitions less attractive, or increase the value of software customers.

Talent acquisitions become less attractive when:

  - The number of talents available increases significantly
  - Economies of scale in software business is less substantial
  - There's ethical pressure from online communities
  - The act of "selling customers" (through data collection or ads) becomes less profitable or costs more (with things like DNT or ad blockers)
The value of customers increases when:

  - More people are willing to spend more money on independent software development
  - Access to software market is easier (with things like app stores)
  - More revenue streams with higher payouts (like high-quality ad networks such as Deck and Carbon)
  - Higher potential to get big (with VC money and building platforms/ecosystems)
The sad truth is, independent software developers tend to be less entrepreneurial than startup founders (but I don't think the line can be drawn clearly). They are only a little bit more entrepreneurial than consulting developers (which are even more likely to be hired by big companies, but we don't care much about them). Therefore they may not be willing to actively improve their revenue by taking risks, and hence the acquisitions happen.

Re: The real reason we’re upset about Sparrow’s acquisition

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post #8

Perhaps we should only pay for development of open-source software, so we actually own what we're paying for.

I don't use Sparrow so please correct me if I am wrong. The applications are still fully functional and are working perfectly fine until Apple changes anything they heavily depend on or something replaces imap. You own your copy of Sparrow and it still works. Imagine you buy a BMW and in 10 years you cannot get the required fuel anymore. Does this mean you only pay for a new car when you get all plans for the engine…

A lot of the complaints are about the fact that the Sparrow team had promised push notifications for the iOS client "with or without Apple". Now we get nothing.

I know, I know, don't buy an application based on promises, buy it based on what the application currently offers. Wise words, I have learned.

Re: The real reason we’re upset about Sparrow’s acquisition

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post #14

In 1998 we wouldn't of complained - at least me. It is 2012, and when I purchase software, I don't buy into the premise that this software is going to be static for perpetuity, and this is because of the fast-paced nature of OS, platform and web evolution. I "marry" the software I love, and I am very happy to pay for upgrades. I upgrade my Mac the day after a new OS X version is released, not only that, but I use non…

Have you stopped using GitHub, if you were a user?

Re: The real reason we’re upset about Sparrow’s acquisition

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Also, frankly, I think people chose Sparrow because they weren't happy with the big boy's applications (Apple's Mail.app on Mac OS X, Apple and Gmail's apps on iOS). It's a case of "We don't like Google or Apple's apps, so we're going to _pay extra money_ to get something we like." So when the Sparrow team gets picked up by Google _and_ we hear that Sparrow.app is becoming abandonware, many people think "the bad guys…

"Of course, I hope the hue and cry about this will suggest to google that Sparrow might be worth maintaining after all."

Or open source the app code? c.f Intellicad when Microsoft bought Visio

Re: The real reason we’re upset about Sparrow’s acquisition

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post #8

Perhaps we should only pay for development of open-source software, so we actually own what we're paying for.

This makes me wonder if you could open source a project like this and still sell it through the App Store. Then there would be a paid version (that's easy to acquire and pay for) as well as the code being shared with the community. Anyone could still get the app for free, but I'd be willing to bet most people would financially support the project if given such an easy and integrated means to do so.

Re: The real reason we’re upset about Sparrow’s acquisition

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a British person who voted Lib Dem, I'd need a lot more than a "promise" to quell my worries.

If it was part of the license agreement? I don't know how enforceable this would be in practice though. Perhaps a neutral third party gets code access and a contract with the developer and users as to when/if it will be released?

Perhaps something à la the KDE Free Qt Foundation? (http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.p...)

The agreement between the Free Qt Foundation and Nokia gives them right to release the latest Qt version under a BSD-style licence if Nokia stop releasing Qt versions (GPL+LGPL).

Re: The real reason we’re upset about Sparrow’s acquisition

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post #24
post #14

In 1998 we wouldn't of complained - at least me. It is 2012, and when I purchase software, I don't buy into the premise that this software is going to be static for perpetuity, and this is because of the fast-paced nature of OS, platform and web evolution. I "marry" the software I love, and I am very happy to pay for upgrades. I upgrade my Mac the day after a new OS X version is released, not only that, but I use non…

Have you stopped using GitHub, if you were a user?

stop != pay != contribute

Re: The real reason we’re upset about Sparrow’s acquisition

#29

It's all about value creation. Assuming every party here is rational: Google decides to pay for the Sparrow team only because the potential value of these developers is much higher than the price they pay. And Sparrow team accepted the offer only because the big pay check exceeds the value all their own customers combined. If we hate this, we can either make such talent acquisitions less attractive, or increase the v…

You have to add investors in the equation who want to earn something from their investment too. This may add pressure to sell on the developpers.

Re: The real reason we’re upset about Sparrow’s acquisition

#30
post #8

Perhaps we should only pay for development of open-source software, so we actually own what we're paying for.

I don't believe that changes the situation at all. An example of this is Quicksilver on the Mac. It's considered to be one of the best Mac apps ever and the developer who made it, decided to open source it after he decided to take a job at Google. Quicksilver development fell apart afterwards. My point is that people who used the app did so because of the talent of the developer. A community can't always make up for…

Actually - Quicksilver development is alive and well. And I still use it in preference to Alfred et al.
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