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Mojang, makers of Minecraft, sued by patent troll

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Re: Mojang, makers of Minecraft, sued by patent troll

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But what happens when they don't have a legal entity in the US? Who will enforce it?

They can stop the distribution in the United Stares. In addition, Swedish courts would probably honor the decision of the US court.

How would that be enforced for a download-only product? Also, there is another famous swedish operation which still hasn't been shut down despite enormous efforts by US firms.

edit: ok, any app store downloads probably could be shut down.

Re: Mojang, makers of Minecraft, sued by patent troll

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SYSTEM AND METHOD FOR PREVENTING UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO ELECTRONIC DATA. When are governments finally going to do something about the patent system?

When are people going to start reading more than just patent titles? This specific system and method involve using a card inserted into a computing device paired with a server over a network for authentication. It goes deeper than just the title.

Yes, read the patent. It covers a lot more than that specific case, which is why the title is vague and is exactly why governments should step in and stop this madness.

Re: Mojang, makers of Minecraft, sued by patent troll

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Dangerous ... A default judgement could prevent them from selling Minecraft in the US, and could implicate other companies helping them who are based in the US (ie. Google & Appple because their stores are presumably located there).

> selling Minecraft in the US This I don't understand. Mojang sells Minecraft in Sweden. You come to them , not the other way around (unless they have a US-based webshop). A person from the US can fly to Sweden and buy a bottle of Absolute Absinthe (made-up) and then bring it back to the US. She may not succeed getting it through the customs, but it will be the US customs who enforce the import restriction, not the S…

They are legally obliged to for any sales to the US territories. So if you are in the US and buy Minecraft, then they are exporting software to the US and have to comply with relevant law and any trade agreements between Sweden and the US.

Re: Mojang, makers of Minecraft, sued by patent troll

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This article suddenly reminded me of another link that was on front page a few weeks ago. That one was on how to incorporate a company in another country without being there. People wanted to incorporate their software startups in the US due to ease of payment processing and stuff. After seeing these kind of patent trolls, I wonder if anyone would even think of incorporating the the US.

If your product is international, and you're incorporated in the US and then a patent troll fucks you up, you'll have to waste so much time on all the procedures in addition to the money. And if anything goes wrong, then you'll have to pay hefty penalties/fines/royalties or close shop.

If your company is incorporated outside the country, granted you might find it a little hard to get your payment processor set up, but atleast you know that patent trolls [which, unfortunately seem to primarily originate from the USA] would be able to only shut down your business in one country. And, as long as you had a website up, people will find ways to bypass the country restriction. [Hint - Amazon's free app of the day isn't just being enjoyed by people in the USA]

Re: Mojang, makers of Minecraft, sued by patent troll

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They were also dumb enough to sue EA, my bet is this goes away pretty quickly (at least for EA) http://www.scribd.com/doc/100637098/Uniloc-et-al-v-Electroni... A cursory reading of the claims explicitly outlined against Mojang makes me wonder if it's even a valid claim, they seem to be claiming the 'computer executable code' in claim 107 instead of a 'method'. It also seems like there would be plenty of prior art to…

I was actually quite surprised to read this on HN, I once met Ric Richardson the founder of Uniloc shortly after he sued Microsoft for infringing a similar patent, and I usually laugh at anyone trying to enforce software patents but this time I would take it a lot more seriously.

Re: Mojang, makers of Minecraft, sued by patent troll

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post #45

This article suddenly reminded me of another link that was on front page a few weeks ago. That one was on how to incorporate a company in another country without being there. People wanted to incorporate their software startups in the US due to ease of payment processing and stuff. After seeing these kind of patent trolls, I wonder if anyone would even think of incorporating the the US. If your product is internation…

Which is why you would set up a subsidiary LLC in the United States, and dissolve it if it's sued.

Re: Mojang, makers of Minecraft, sued by patent troll

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As far as I know, Mojang doesn't have a game called "Mindcraft[sic]." I wonder if this makes the whole plaintiff void?

I have no idea of us law but I think they still have a case because they wrote "the unauthorized use of said application, including, but not limited to, Mindcraft." and not only "Mindcraft".

Re: Mojang, makers of Minecraft, sued by patent troll

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post #14

They were also dumb enough to sue EA, my bet is this goes away pretty quickly (at least for EA) http://www.scribd.com/doc/100637098/Uniloc-et-al-v-Electroni... A cursory reading of the claims explicitly outlined against Mojang makes me wonder if it's even a valid claim, they seem to be claiming the 'computer executable code' in claim 107 instead of a 'method'. It also seems like there would be plenty of prior art to…

I was actually quite surprised to read this on HN, I once met Ric Richardson the founder of Uniloc shortly after he sued Microsoft for infringing a similar patent, and I usually laugh at anyone trying to enforce software patents but this time I would take it a lot more seriously.

Why would you take it a lot more seriously?

Re: Mojang, makers of Minecraft, sued by patent troll

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> selling Minecraft in the US This I don't understand. Mojang sells Minecraft in Sweden. You come to them , not the other way around (unless they have a US-based webshop). A person from the US can fly to Sweden and buy a bottle of Absolute Absinthe (made-up) and then bring it back to the US. She may not succeed getting it through the customs, but it will be the US customs who enforce the import restriction, not the S…

They are legally obliged to for any sales to the US territories. So if you are in the US and buy Minecraft, then they are exporting software to the US and have to comply with relevant law and any trade agreements between Sweden and the US.

"legally obliged" as per which country's law? Also, depending on how one views it, it's not them exporting, but rather their customers importing bought software.
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