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Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

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Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

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This is hugely dependent on whether the camera supports clean HDMI output - that is, without overlays. My Canon camera for example insists on showing a focus square over HDMI no matter what, and it is impossible to disable.

You can remove it by installing magic lantern. It lets me use my old 650D as a second camera.

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Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

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In case you are considering Nikon as an alternative, their Webcam Utility might be free, but it doesn't work on the latest version of macOS. There are 3rd party utilities (paid), but I had trouble with autofocus when I tried them. I wish camera manufacturers put half as much effort into usability as smartphone companies. Why does a camera need drivers to be recognized as a webcam at all? Why doesn't my 2000€ camera c…

Nikon's HDMI output works just fine on MacOS.

Yes, but that requires extra hardware.

I wish Nikon would just include useful features like USB webcam mode out of the box.

Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

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That's what the marketers wanted us to think, sure. It's like me trying to sell you a car that can "turn into" a boat with the right attachments. Notice I didn't say how much the attachments cost.

Respectfully, you're just making things up.

I resent that accusation. We should have a Zoom call on two Canon webcams to hash this out.

Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

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> However, Canon is a hardware company, not a software company, That probably makes it pretty easy to reverse engineer their software to bypass the restrictions.

> However, Canon is a hardware company, not a software company, Canon is a company that is in the business of making profit (not just software or just hardware). If they realize that they can charge you $1 for every time you chew gum while taking photos, and people will actually pay for that privilege $1-per-chewing-gum-session (disclaimer: chewing gum not provided) they would charge you! Remember BMW and heating in…

Yunno, I wouldn't. Even for 100k on the table. I wouldn't suggest it. I have bills to pay, student loan debt, etc. but for one, I wouldn't want to suggest something that would have long term negative brand impact, and two, but more importantly, I wouldn't want to suggest developing something that if I were to use would piss me off. Make the world you want to see. Engineers share in the responsibility for things like this existing.

Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

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The fact that its a subscription is what really rubs me up the wrong way. Not everything deserves to be a subscription. Why is everything a subscription these days?

>Why is everything a subscription these days?

Software showed the world the incredible value of everyone being a renter instead of an owner.

Ironically HN (as an ad for Ycombinator) exists largely to enforce that new paradigm

Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

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> I love the EU but it certainly has its idiosyncrasies. That is an acceptable position and you will likely nor require further investigation as long as the criticism remains vague and is offset by positive sentiment. I too love the EU.

I have a family member of retirement age who got into the habit of anonymously expressing their love of the EU in the comments section of a local newspaper. After a few months of this they received a phone call on their landline warning them that such public expressions are inappropriate and that there could be consequences should they not find a new hobby. I too love the EU but I loved it much more 15 years ago.

What is this load of BS, nobody from the EU called because of facebook comments, your family member lied.

Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

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As a Nikon guy, I'm using my Z50 as a webcam with little fuss. I've got a fake battery that plugs into AC power -- and my output is through HDMI to an Elgato Cam link 4k. It doesn't overheat even after hours of use (unlike most full-frame sensors), and I've got it capturing in monochrome because I just really like B&W. And because its face/eye detect autofocus is reasonably capable -- I can keep a wide aperture/shall…

That's nice but is it worth spending so much to get natural boketh in over team calls?

Not sure its teams but half the video calls I am in feature someone's ear or hair flickering in and out of the focus mask. For me that can be quite distracting.

One person I am in calls with regularly recently got a professional A/V setup for video calls and it is such a treat to get in a call with them.

So I think people would notice and appreciate a good setup?

Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

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I also discovered that I couldn't use my Canon SLR to record more than 30 minutes of video continuously. The problem however wasn't Canon, but that I lived in a region (EU) that would have imposed a customs tariff on cameras that could do that, but by keeping it under that, the camera would be classed as a 'stills' camera and so was therefore exempt. Admittedly this is different from the case in the article - but it…

But the EU doesn’t do tariffs? I thought that was exclusive to the incoming US administration, because it’s stupid.

Yes it does. You have a customs desk at every entry port, complete with a “goods to declare” sign. If you buy stuff online, you’ll also have to pay up if the products are taxed.

You can learn about those here: https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/customs-4/calculation-...

We also have VAT (sales tax) which is levied on top of the import duties (so the tax is taxed).

There are even restrictions on the quantities of some products you are allowed to carry between member states, such as alcohol and tobacco, mostly because taxes on those vary by jurisdiction.

Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

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I also discovered that I couldn't use my Canon SLR to record more than 30 minutes of video continuously. The problem however wasn't Canon, but that I lived in a region (EU) that would have imposed a customs tariff on cameras that could do that, but by keeping it under that, the camera would be classed as a 'stills' camera and so was therefore exempt. Admittedly this is different from the case in the article - but it…

I wonder if 3rd party camera firmware will become more of a thing - e.g. https://www.magiclantern.fm/ or https://chdk.fandom.com/wiki/CHDK

Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

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The right too for the job most certainly is not HDMI. The video feed should (depending on usecase, sure) be compressed on the device and sent over USB. Sending uncompressed video just to be badly compressed in a capture device is most definitely not the right tool for the job.

Realtime compression in a portable device with limited processing power is going to reduce quality. It is better to transport uncompressed video and let the receiver decide how to manage it. USB-3 has adequate bandwidth for doing this. USB-C lets you switch to DisplayPort if the receiver can handle it.

The camera already does realtime compression to the sdcard. It has dedicated hardware for this. USB-2 has adequate bandwidth for compressed audio+video.

Your HDMI capture device (which is a cheap portable device with limited processing power) is probably going to do a much worse job.

Sending uncompressed video over usb is absurd.

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