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Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

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Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

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Canon truly is the HP of cameras. Good thing there's Sony and Nikon.

The latest firmware update for the Sony A7S III has introduced unlockable licenses and a website where you can buy them. The first one (for DCI 4K) is free, but it looks like they'll be chraging for unlocking more "professional" firmware features in the future.

Hah I am aware. There's a lot of shit in Sony camp, but Canon is a whole other level.

Nikon seems to be the "good guy" these days.

Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

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post #6

I wonder when we'll reach a tipping point for the subscription hell that the world is moving towards. On the other hand, with the amount of consolidation and difficulty competing (especially with Lina Khan out) I'm not sure if that will ever happen.

Im still waiting for mass-piracy where large parts of the population walk out on the subscription systems leaving the vendors to starve.

Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

#23
It's just a business model like segmentation IMHO. BMWs or Tesla's having the hardware but require a payment for enabling it or CPU manufacturers disabling certain features to sell them at a lower price. IIRC the idea is that to let people pay what they can so you can have larger profits when allowing lower price points. In this case it appears to directly charge for a service(a software that needs to be created and maintained) that you may choose not to have.

I don't have problem with these practices at all as long as they don't try to prevent it you from running your hardware through alternative means. If the camera police isn't trying to get you for writing your own software to avoid paying Canon 5$ a month, its all good.

Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

#24
Great article, yeah it is quite sad with these things. Louis Rossman talked extensively on these issues.

By the way, your images go to a weird url for me, maybe it is because it is Brave browser.

For example

https://romanzipp.com/blog/[%7B%22id%22:%22assets::blog//no-...

Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

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And this is probably because Canon corporate won't justify a budget for developing this software unless they expect separate revenue for it, even though it's clearly just value-add to the (already very expensive) hardware.

Bit of a weird argument considering you can use other brand cameras as webcams without any third party software. At least, all my Sony cameras can just be plugged in using USB and it works immediately. No drivers required.

Are you sure? The article talks about using it as a webcam and none of the Sony gear I've used supports that (A6500, A7 I/RI/II/SII/III/RIII/SIII).

They did make the "Imaging Edge Webcam" program, I think some time during the pandemic, but AFAIK it's just a PTP preview to webcam driver, so the quality is pretty terrible and you can do that with OBS+gphoto2.

Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

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> Companies squeezing every last penny out out their customers is no news. And Canon is no stranger.

In relation to the rent-seeking behavior of Canon they allegedly nudged a certain open-source camera firmware project not to support some of their most high-end cameras. But with Canon losing interest in DSLRs I hope the situation changes.

Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

#27
In case you are considering Nikon as an alternative, their Webcam Utility might be free, but it doesn't work on the latest version of macOS.

There are 3rd party utilities (paid), but I had trouble with autofocus when I tried them.

I wish camera manufacturers put half as much effort into usability as smartphone companies. Why does a camera need drivers to be recognized as a webcam at all? Why doesn't my 2000€ camera come with GPS and LTE built in? Why is the software still as crappy as in the 90ies?

Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

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Is there a reason OP can't get themselves a $50 USB capture card and a $20 HDMI cable, and use OBS to capture the feed from the HDMI-out in the camera? Most decent capture cards also expose themselves as cameras to almost all applications. This is my setup, and it works perfectly. Nikon D7500 as a webcam. More professional setups use Atomos monitors with built-in NVMe drives mounted directly to the camera.

I generally find the camera manufacturers' in-house programs absolutely terrible. Nikon's webcam utility is free[1], but has significant limitations over the capture card setup. Likewise for Sony. Both have considerable resolution and framerate limits, and I'd rather feed a 4K 60 FPS stream into my meeting program and let it handle the compression than have an XGA 1024×768 15 FPS output from the camera.

[1]: https://downloadcenter.nikonimglib.com/en/products/548/Webca...

Re: Canon wants us to pay for using our own camera as a webcam

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The latest firmware update for the Sony A7S III has introduced unlockable licenses and a website where you can buy them. The first one (for DCI 4K) is free, but it looks like they'll be chraging for unlocking more "professional" firmware features in the future.

I'm not sure this is the case, but to play devils advocate - Sony themselves might have to license it from a third party

There is no reason to bend over backwards to make up excuses for bad behaviour.
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