Apparently climate change causes reductions in fire department funding, amirite?
Is the world becoming uninsurable?
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Re: Is the world becoming uninsurable?
#192Like we see in California, when the government sets a price ceiling, insurance companies just leave. Same in Florida. If the free market truly was allowed run normally, the insurance rates in Pacific Palisades or on the Florida coast would be so high that no one could afford to live there. Is that a bad thing? If someone was living in a house near where they tested missiles, we'd call them crazy. At what point can we…
> Is that a bad thing?
Is it a bad thing that we should consider most of the planet unlivable because disasters happen that aren't eternally and increasingly profitable to insure?
Is it a bad thing that literally tens of millions of Americans would no longer have insurance? That you're asking double digit percents of the entire population to leave cities and just... what? Suddenly have new homes in a region with plentiful resources and access to water and food and an economy and no disaster potential?
Is it a bad thing to compare entire states to missile testing grounds?
Is this satire?
Re: Is the world becoming uninsurable?
#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the market is allowed to price insurance correctly then we can motivate building designs to be more disaster resist. If the McMansion can't get insurance but disaster resistant, modest homes do, then people will adapt.
"Correctly" is doing a lot of work here. Some readers might miss that this is double edged. Insurance is a mandated product . You don't have a choice if you want a mortgage, or want to run a business. So while it is true that the sustainable price for insurance in many areas is higher than what current regulations allow, let's not forget what happens in an unregulated insurance market; price gouging.
Price gouging isn't actually what we're seeing in the most disaster prone areas. Insurance companies aren't charging open ended prices, they're simply exiting the market. Florida for example.
Re: Is the world becoming uninsurable?
#194Not uninsurable, but buildings are going to have to become tougher. It's happened before. Chicago's reaction to the Great Fire was simple - no more building wooden houses. Chicago went all brick. Still is, mostly. The trouble is, brick isn't earthquake resistant. Not without steel reinforcement. I live in a house built of cinder block filled with concrete reinforced with steel. A commercial builder built this as his…
Note that brick is much worse than wood for wind-stoked wildfires; think ‘explosive fiery-hot shrapnel’ rather than just catching on fire like wood. (This is not a contradiction of your point, just a useful related factoid for the modern era.)
Wind-stoked wildfires are not cat4 or something tornadoes.
Re: Is the world becoming uninsurable?
#195This is silly, and overcomplicating the issue. The world is very insurable, at a price. The property and casualty business is competitive as hell in almost all parts. The government needs to just stay out of it.
Ok, just play the next move. Insurance is expensive. Now what happens.
Re: Is the world becoming uninsurable?
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Re: Is the world becoming uninsurable?
#197Like we see in California, when the government sets a price ceiling, insurance companies just leave. Same in Florida. If the free market truly was allowed run normally, the insurance rates in Pacific Palisades or on the Florida coast would be so high that no one could afford to live there. Is that a bad thing? If someone was living in a house near where they tested missiles, we'd call them crazy. At what point can we…
I've been trying to talk to people locally, a place with lots of homes built in the woodland-urban interface, about the risks of climate change and how insurance will have to change. Unfortunately these discussions almost never go well, because it seems that most people have at best a surface level understanding of what insurance is and how it works, and everyone is convinced that it's a full scam and insurance compa…
Insurance should not be for profit, and things like e.g. State Farm suddenly cancelling people's renters/fire insurance just two weeks before the fires (I am one of those people) are what people hate about insurance. No one is arguing that insurance is bad at risk assessment, but rather how they wield their proficiency with it.
Re: Is the world becoming uninsurable?
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the market is allowed to price insurance correctly then we can motivate building designs to be more disaster resist. If the McMansion can't get insurance but disaster resistant, modest homes do, then people will adapt.
"Correctly" is doing a lot of work here. Some readers might miss that this is double edged. Insurance is a mandated product . You don't have a choice if you want a mortgage, or want to run a business. So while it is true that the sustainable price for insurance in many areas is higher than what current regulations allow, let's not forget what happens in an unregulated insurance market; price gouging.
For what it’s worth, you can get a house with no insurance or mortgage. They tend to be cheap. I had an uninsured thatched cottage for a while, it was 68k
Re: Is the world becoming uninsurable?
#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thinking technology will always save us is no different from divine or magical thinking. Lots of societies and civilizations have collapsed. Some were straight up wiped off the earth and we don't even know what happened to them. Western civilization has had a good 500 years, and America has had a good 250 years, but that doesn't mean things can never go bad in the future. Plenty of places have had catastrophic drough…
>Plenty of places have had catastrophic droughts, famines, and plagues. Nearly half of Europe died a few times from plagues. Most natives in America were absolutely wiped out from disease and other issues. Tens of millions died of famine in China last century. Tsunamis washed away and killed hundreds of thousands in Indonesia and Japan this current century. Conveniently you selected pre-technology examples. How curio…
You selected pre-climate change examples. How curious.
Re: Is the world becoming uninsurable?
#200It’s hard to view insurance as a viable business when overpaying executives has become the norm. Take State Farm, for instance: its CEO was awarded $50 million in compensation over just two years — 2022 and 2023. The industry is rife with waste and high barriers to entry.
Lets pretend the CEO made $0 over 2 years and that $50m goes to what? - $350 annual bonus to the 67,000 employees? - Lower the cost of the 91 million policies by $0.27 per year each? - Cover an additional 50 homes in California? Where should it go?
They bank it as any insurance company should do. Invest it cautiously. Hire sound decent people to run it with solid levels of accountability (including from a board of directors that is mostly made up of a rotating number of clients). Do it from the beginning of the company. Grow your staff slowly. Build enough of a cushion that can last the company years. Right? Right?
I'd run that company well for $250k/annually + benefits (an enormous amount of money).