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Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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Re: Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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Post by scarface_74 »

yreg wrote: post #397
Ancapistani wrote: post #352

Huh - the implications of this time period reach much farther than I would have expected. I recall switching from a small, regional cellular carrier to Cingular with the launch of the iPhone 3G. It only now occurred to me that I'm still there. I stayed with Cingular when it became AT&T, and still have service through them. For that matter, the service has significantly expanded; I now have tablets, watches, and four…

A bit off the topic, but your bill is bonkers to me. We have unlimited data + unlimited calls for 39€.

With both T-Mobile and the MVNOs you can get unlimited data and calls for $40-$50.

Re: Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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Post by scarface_74 »

Ancapistani wrote: post #352

Huh - the implications of this time period reach much farther than I would have expected. I recall switching from a small, regional cellular carrier to Cingular with the launch of the iPhone 3G. It only now occurred to me that I'm still there. I stayed with Cingular when it became AT&T, and still have service through them. For that matter, the service has significantly expanded; I now have tablets, watches, and four…

I pay $360 a month on T-Mobile. That is for 5 cell phones, 3 iPads, and 2 Watches with unlimited data and 2 phone contracts. Without the 2 phone contracts it would be $300/month

Re: Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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Post by Chilko »

alkonaut wrote: post #187
criticalfault wrote: post #46

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I think we can see the same thing happening today. BYD+CATL are the new iphone and other manufacturers are Symbian, Motorola and Sony Ericsson VW, Toyota and friends cannot change fast enough. They should have started with big battery investments 10-15y ago and RnDing then, not now when Market is flooded.

In what way is a BYD a completely different/revolutionary product compared to, say a KIA or Volvo EV? This comparison seems a bit strange tbh. Sure they are more nimble and have higher margins. But the products they make are still just copies of what those other dinosaurs are making. And for a car I'm still very reluctant to buy a Chinese one. Politics aside, what I'm buying is a 5-10 year long service experience whe…

I would say it's more that BYD is a battery company that started making cars. They (alongside CATL and arguably Tesla) are the world leaders in battery cells, specifically LFP, so they have strong advantage in the core underlying tech that enables EVs.

Re: Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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Post by seba_dos1 »

bityard wrote: post #34
ddalex wrote: post #12

N800 is the future that never was - opem Linux-based mobile computing for the masses. It had developer support, cool form factor, big touchable screen, and no corp to love it.

I had one of those. It was interesting in that it ran Linux and you could (at the time) browse most web sites with it. Otherwise, it was slow, bulky, and had a pretty terrible resistive touch screen. (The stylus was NOT optional.) And you still had to carry your flip phone in another pocket. In the end I was mainly using mine to listen to podcasts (before they were called that). An iPod Touch eventually replaced it u…

I never had a N800, but I still have a working N900 used as my secondary phone and while it has a stylus holder, I have never pulled it out of there for many many years except to stim. Its resistive touch screen was excellent and I liked it more than today's capacitive screens. The only issue I have with it is that it's ageing and developing problems over years and eventually I may end up out of spare parts.

Re: Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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Post by muststopmyths »

7thaccount wrote: post #205
bombcar wrote: post #143

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Was this around the time Microsoft kept switching what "windows phone" was? I remember that the one friend who got into it loved it, and then they released something completely incompatible and he abandoned the platform.

I had the original iPhone, then swapped it for a flagship android and hated it. I tried Windows Phone out a few years later and loved it and had two of them over the years. Some apps didn't exist for it and that sucked, but the OS was snappy and something different that I really liked. The Nokia windows phones were great. I knew it was doomed though as when I got them from the carrier, I was apparently like the only…

>I still miss it.

There are dozens of us !

I miss so many things besides the UI. seamless integration of Cortana with in-car bluetooth to read incoming SMS, live tiles, fantastic cameras in Nokia devices.

Re: Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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Post by conk »

pmontra wrote: post #273
7thaccount wrote: post #205

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I had the original iPhone, then swapped it for a flagship android and hated it. I tried Windows Phone out a few years later and loved it and had two of them over the years. Some apps didn't exist for it and that sucked, but the OS was snappy and something different that I really liked. The Nokia windows phones were great. I knew it was doomed though as when I got them from the carrier, I was apparently like the only…

A relative of mine had a Windows Phone and kept it running at least until the mid 10s. It was fast but he could basically only do calls and SMSes with it because nobody wrote apps for that OS. Everybody in app development (devs and their customers) was keen to see Windows Phone die quickly so they could spare time and money and develop only for two OSes.

WhatsApp supported windows phone through 2019.

Re: Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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Post by int_19h »

7thaccount wrote: post #404
int_19h wrote: post #394

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Windows Phone had pretty much nothing in common with WinCE/WinMo PDAs that preceded it, at least from user and app developer perspective.

I think this hurt Windows Phone a lot as a lot of people thought it was just the PDA interface on a smart phone.

I don't think so. As I recall, the different UI (not just from older MS stuff, but also from iPhone) was really front and center of Microsoft's pitch at the time.

Besides, WinCE PDAs were very much a power user / enthusiast device, with relatively few around. People who used them and thus were familiar with the old UI would be well aware that WP7 was completely different, and people that didn't use them weren't exposed to the old UI in the first place.

Re: Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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Post by orev »

unwiredben wrote: post #241

I was at Palm when the iPhone launched, and one note from this analysis summed up Apple's new power in the market and how they really changed the landscape. "Cingular has allowed Apple to launch a device with WLAN and inbuilt services" At that time, the carriers controlled so much of the cell phone experience. We certainly would have loved to have launched Palm Treo phones with WiFi radios, but our carrier partners w…

As an outsider very interested in Palm devices, this was always my impression/suspicion. Thanks for confirming what I’ve long thought was going on.

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Post by asveikau »

chrisco255 wrote: post #460
scarface_74 wrote: post #345

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That’s a popular misconception. The first iPhone had a 400Mhz processor and 128MB of RAM. It was so resource constrained that you couldn’t put a picture on your home screen because it would have taken too much memory. It could barely run Safari. If you scrolled too fast, you would see checker boxes while trying to render the screen. When Flash did finally come to mobile on Android, it required a 1Ghz processor and 1G…

My 90s PC had similar specs and ran Flash websites just fine. It also supported desktop backgrounds and animated screensavers just fine.

Suddenly I remember circa ie4 or ie5 that had the "active desktop" feature that made even well spec'd machines grind.

Now we run electron apps which are a pretty similar idea.

Re: Nokia's internal presentation after iPhone was launched (2007) [pdf]

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Post by seba_dos1 »

scarface_74 wrote: post #345
jandrese wrote: post #314

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At the time Steve Jobs was putting his foot down against allowing Flash on the iPhone because the performance was so pants, Microsoft was going all in on Silverlight which had exactly the same problem.

That’s a popular misconception. The first iPhone had a 400Mhz processor and 128MB of RAM. It was so resource constrained that you couldn’t put a picture on your home screen because it would have taken too much memory. It could barely run Safari. If you scrolled too fast, you would see checker boxes while trying to render the screen. When Flash did finally come to mobile on Android, it required a 1Ghz processor and 1G…

> When Flash did finally come to mobile on Android, it required a 1Ghz processor and 1GB RAM.

It worked on Maemo years before that though, with 600MHz Cortex-A8 CPU and 256 MB RAM. Nokia N900 had out-of-box support for Flash in its Gecko-based browser.

I believe Symbian had some support before that too, but I don't remember and haven't checked the details.

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