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Re: Starship Flight 7

#261

Looks like second stage broke up over Caribbean, videos of the debris (as seen from ground): https://x.com/deankolson87/status/1880026759133032662?t=HdHF... https://x.com/realcamtem/status/1880026604472266800 https://x.com/adavenport354/status/1880026262254809115 Moment of the breakup: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DE52_hVSeQz/

The last one is stage separation, not an explosion. You can clearly see the "exploded" rocket continuing to fly afterwards.

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Re: Starship Flight 7

#262

That "landing" (is it still considered a landing if it's chopsticked a few meters before it touches the ground?) is so unnatural it almost looks fake. So big and unimaginable that it feels like watching fx on a movie! The close-up camera right after was interesting, I thought it captured on the grid fins, but it looks like there are two small purpose-built knobs for that. The times we live in!

You can hear some sounds in the stream that I think are one of the presenters weeping during the launch and landing sequences. I think I would be similarly awe struck to witness such a thing

Re: Starship Flight 7

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post #258

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Is there a video you don't need to log in to view?

The fourth one (instagram) doesn't require login. Side note: annoying that twitter/X requires login. I'd have sworn Elon said he was removing that requirement to login to view tweets (I think he discussed it with George Hotz). Found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkNkSQ42jg4&t=49m30s Elon: > This is insane. You shouldn't need a twitter account at all unless you need to write something George: > Why did you put t…

Musk's promises never age well, but, really, this particular dialog should be a meme.

Re: Starship Flight 7

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post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a video you don't need to log in to view?

The fourth one (instagram) doesn't require login. Side note: annoying that twitter/X requires login. I'd have sworn Elon said he was removing that requirement to login to view tweets (I think he discussed it with George Hotz). Found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkNkSQ42jg4&t=49m30s Elon: > This is insane. You shouldn't need a twitter account at all unless you need to write something George: > Why did you put t…

Instagram requires login. Twitter does not.

Re: Starship Flight 7

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Yes. Space debris near orbiting speeds doesn't fall straight down, it's simple physics. If anything planes much further downrange (thousands of km) should be diverted, not immediately under the re-entry point.

The planes diverting were downrange. Also, I doubt they had much information to go off, and were essentially flying blind about where the debris were unless they had a direct line to NORAD. Do you have a better explanation why they are doing donuts over the pacific at the time of reentry, then were diverted? https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/ABX3133 https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/N121BZ/history/20250..…

> donuts over the pacific

Atlantic

Re: Starship Flight 7

#266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Space debris near orbiting speeds doesn't fall straight down, it's simple physics. If anything planes much further downrange (thousands of km) should be diverted, not immediately under the re-entry point.

The planes diverting were downrange. Also, I doubt they had much information to go off, and were essentially flying blind about where the debris were unless they had a direct line to NORAD. Do you have a better explanation why they are doing donuts over the pacific at the time of reentry, then were diverted? https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/ABX3133 https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/N121BZ/history/20250..…

I don't have. Maybe they were indeed diverted because people got scared? Still seems pointless given the distances involved. Most reports are coming from social media / people watching flightradar24, and news media is just picking those up.

Re: Starship Flight 7

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I take it if SpaceX debris hit and destroyed a boat the owner can claim damages from SpaceX? Does international space law allow for this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Liability_Convention Only used once, when the Soviets dropped a nuclear reactor on Canada. > States (countries) bear international responsibility for all space objects that are launched within their territory. This means that regardless of who launches the space object, if it was launched from State A's territory, or from State A's facility, or if State A caused the launch to happe…

I feel like it should be updated. When it was written it wasn't like every Musk could launch high-orbit rockets on sundays. Only actual states did.

Re: Starship Flight 7

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post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fourth one (instagram) doesn't require login. Side note: annoying that twitter/X requires login. I'd have sworn Elon said he was removing that requirement to login to view tweets (I think he discussed it with George Hotz). Found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkNkSQ42jg4&t=49m30s Elon: > This is insane. You shouldn't need a twitter account at all unless you need to write something George: > Why did you put t…

Instagram requires login. Twitter does not.

I'd have sworn I was unable to view tweets recently without logging in. But maybe I was wrong.

Instagram lets me view the video without login (I have to click the 'X' in the top-right of annoying popup, but I can watch it without logging in).

Re: Starship Flight 7

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post #267

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Liability_Convention Only used once, when the Soviets dropped a nuclear reactor on Canada. > States (countries) bear international responsibility for all space objects that are launched within their territory. This means that regardless of who launches the space object, if it was launched from State A's territory, or from State A's facility, or if State A caused the launch to happe…

I feel like it should be updated. When it was written it wasn't like every Musk could launch high-orbit rockets on sundays. Only actual states did.

States can set whatever rules they like internally. The US can make SpaceX pay them back if they want.

Re: Starship Flight 7

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post #260

Looks like second stage broke up over Caribbean, videos of the debris (as seen from ground): https://x.com/deankolson87/status/1880026759133032662?t=HdHF... https://x.com/realcamtem/status/1880026604472266800 https://x.com/adavenport354/status/1880026262254809115 Moment of the breakup: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DE52_hVSeQz/

I'm not worried about the Starship itself, but it looks kinda dangerous. Is it?

It's very likely it exploded on purpose by SpaceX after it wasn't showing good data (aka Flight Termination System). Specifically over water.
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