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Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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And it will stop being maintained

Yeah, because Google has no interest in maintaining the official Gmail app...

http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/20/3172222/google-buys-sparro...

> Google buys Sparrow, current apps will not get any new features

we're off to a great start.

And Google has not been shy about killing stuff outright, or gutting products to force users into G+, these last two years.

Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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post #229

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It baffles my mind, anyone would actually believe this. This whole, Google, is evil for hiring the authors of an app you like. Either they will put them to good use, or make less money.

You're saying that they will make more money through being acquired by Google than by owning their own company that sells a popular product?

Either that, or Google will loose money on this transaction.

Im suggesting, that Google has the intent to maximize profits.

So, if turns out bad for us, as consumers, it turns out bad for Google.

Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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post #231

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Ho, stop! When you buy a product, you pay for what it is, not fir what it can be. This whole idea of free features for ever, is not economially viable in the first place. It only works as long as they can keep getting new customers at a high rate. But at some point, that will slow down. Then they can either build a whole new product, or try charging current customers again. My point being: you cant pay a fixed one ti…

In a free market transactions needn't be limited to simple currency for product exchanges. They can come with whatever strings, of whatever enforcability, the parties place on them. So here a buyer had an expectation of future development and upgrade, some of them perhaps to be paid for. They invested time and attention learning a new interface and functionality, thinking those upgrades would provide returns on that…

I agree that some kind of support should continue.

But in the case of an email app, focused on simplicity and ui design; not feature sets for power users, i dont think this expectation can reasonably consist of new features.

On the other hand: the value was in the ui design, not some dificult technological challenge. If there is actually a viable market here, chances are more than one player will follow in their footsteps. UI designs are easy to copy.

And until then, the kind of support one can reasonable expect, will continue: bug fixes.

Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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post #277

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Will you still prefer desktop app if you get all its benefits with web app?

Because you really don't get all the benefits of a native app with a web app. It's getting better, the gap is closing, but it will be a while before web apps are an enjoyable an experience as a native app. I think Sparrow was actually a good proof point of that.

More than that - apps like Sparrow move the goalposts actually. It was such a superior to experience to even the best native clients of the day that it widened the gap between web and native once again.

Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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post #46

This is getting extremely frustrating. Sparrow is a fabulous email client both for iOS and Mac. I love and use both daily and this is fairly devastating. I was really looking forward to the products development, growth, and future releases. To read this announcement and hear that they won't be working on their apps but on Google projects is sad. To bigger companies: chill out with the "acquihires." If anything, do wh…

It seems like a lot of people don't like this acquisition.

However, I think it will be much bigger outrage if they raised the price of their software or they started requiring some kind of subscription.

Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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Once again, kids: recurring revenue models. It appears to be the only way to build sustainable, quality software these days. I love, love thick clients (even though I'm an ambivelent web guy) but every time I see an app as a one-time $10 or even $99 shot, I think: how are they gonna survive in the long run?

> how are they gonna survive in the long run? In theory: By building the next thick client app and pitching it to their existing customer base. I loved OmniGraffle so OmniFocus was an obvious choice, etc... Apart from games, are there any examples of this business model left?

Even games... the smart guys are building subscription models.

Right now mobile is going through the same discovery phase: a cool app comes out, sells a bunch... then what?

Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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Google recently acquired QuickOffice too. So now Google owns native clients for GMail and Docs. In addition, they're continuing to build native apps for GDrive, Google Plus, and probably others. This is similar to GitHub and Twitter. Both grew out of the web, but have increasingly acquired or built desktop clients, not to mention mobile ones. And Facebook has made an about-turn on HTML5 everywhere and focusing heavil…

There's always the possibility that these app acquisitions are not to strengthen gmail and docs, but to strengthen Android. Google has just bought the maker of the best email client on iPhone, and announced that they're stopping development of it. To me, that sounds more like a direct attack on the iPhone than a vote of confidence for native apps.

That is what I thought also. That said, the GMail app on my Android phone is already fairly nice.

Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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To answer both of your questions: I'm not asking companies to "outbid" me for people's work and I'm not demanding a ceiling for their compensation. Rather, I'm asking the developer's why drop their work on the application entirely? Why not continue the development at Google a la Instagram? Moreover, the real discontent is more so with seeing a talented group being bought out and not encouraged to grow on their own. I…

Google bought them for whatever reason Google bought them. When Google ponied up for them, you lost your say in what Sparrow's developers spend their time on.

Who is arguing otherwise? We're not allowed to gripe without implying it was unfair?

I think it sucks, and as a user that bought the app strictly to support future progress I feel abandoned. I don't really give a shit if I have a "say" or not in their decisions. I don't like how it went down. Assuming they leave Google and launch another startup (which we all know they will) I certainly won't be supporting them in the future.

Just as I have no say in their progress, they have no say on how I choose to characterize their departure. I say, they took the money and ran. I prefer devs I can trust to stick around.

Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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Can you point to me where I said that? My posts have been to the effect of "hey little companies, if you're open to being waved to by big companies then let me know before I buy into your company's offerings."

Here is a clue for you. When a startup offers you its products for $9.99 or $2.99, they are open to be bought by big companies. There. Now you don't have to ask them to disclose things anymore.

That is ridiculous. Plenty of apps have existed for decades on those prices. Small, dedicated devs are the lifeblood of OS X and iOS contrary to what those who don't use the platforms believe.

I have had no reason to expect this to be the norm in the past and I have no reason to expect it now. You don't just get to abandon your users without repercussions, as easy as that would make things for you. You can comfort yourself with whatever free market BS makes you feel better, you still screwed over the userbase that gave you prominence.

Re: Sparrow acquired by Google

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The email Sparrow is sending out, looks like there won't be any future feature additions: Hello, We're excited to let you know that Sparrow has been acquired by Google! You can view our public announcement here, but I wanted to reach out directly to make sure you were aware of the news. We will continue to make available our existing products, and we will provide support and critical updates to our users. However, as…

As someone who bought Sparrow on the day it was released - and is in love with it - this feels like a big middle finger to the customers who have been supporting them. The core of my disappointment is the expectation of future development that comes with buying into a relatively new piece of software. I didn't buy Sparrow thinking I was paying for a piece of software that was feature-complete. I bought Sparrow mail a…

As someone who bought Sparrow on the day it was released - and is in love with it - this feels like a big middle finger to the customers who have been supporting them.

Oh, please. Unless you're sending these devs money on a regular basis then you're not supporting them, and it's completely foolish to think otherwise. Your continued use of their software does not put any food on their table.

You paid money one time for a piece of software and that's exactly what you got. You deserve nothing more.

This attitude that a one-time payment of a few dollars somehow entitles users to a lifetime of free software, free features, and free updates is utterly irrational; as of a few dollars would grant someone license to a lifetime of a developer's work.

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