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Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by ImPostingOnHN » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 7:09 PM UTC

throw5959 wrote: post #147

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're saying every engineer and every person with any other type of profession you've ever spoken with, said that it was impossible to land a rocket? I feel like plenty of professionals don't even have an opinion on the matter. Even if that's true, there's still every engineer and every other professional in the world you haven't spoken with. To take an example, I'm an engineer, I didn't say it. That disproves the c…

Please, this is a conversation, not math exam.

If we wanted to be more accurate, we could say that less than 0.00001% of all engineers and professionals told elmu that it was impossible to land a rocket.

That seems less impressive than saying 100%, doesn't it? But hey, this is hacker news, not a math exam, and 100% is pretty much < 0.00001%, lol.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by dodgyddv » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 7:45 PM UTC

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Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by pjfin123 » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 7:46 PM UTC

debo_ wrote: post #66

phkahler wrote: post #18

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>> He isn't boycotting. He is planning to peacefully protest, which I think is reasonable. No. He's planning to forcefully disrupt by blocking the stage. Narcissistic to the core: "My views and need for attention are more important than the other 8000 people here who may want to see this talk."

Disrupting access with your physical presence is not a use of force. Without peaceful protests, people will resort to violence more often.

It absolutely is. If security is standing in front of the door to the stage are they going to push past? How is security supposed to remove them from the stage without using force? It's force that's designed to make the protesters look like they're the victim if anyone tries to get in their way.

A peaceful protest would be standing outside on the sidewalk with signs.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by throw5959 » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 8:02 PM UTC

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #151

throw5959 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please, this is a conversation, not math exam.

If we wanted to be more accurate, we could say that less than 0.00001% of all engineers and professionals told elmu that it was impossible to land a rocket. That seems less impressive than saying 100%, doesn't it? But hey, this is hacker news , not a math exam , and 100% is pretty much < 0.00001%, lol.

Yeah lol, who cares about this?

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by zellyn » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 8:19 PM UTC

airhangerf15 wrote: post #134

zellyn wrote: post #53

To be fair (and I'm a big fan of Drew), it seems unlikely that Jack could have prevented the sale of Twitter to Musk. I'm part-way through the book “Character Limit: How Elon Musk Destroyed Twitter” by Kate Conger and Ryan Mac, and so far I can recommend it. It's not necessarily perfect writing (they do _not_ think highly of Jack, nor really any other tech-bros), but definitely informative. [Disclaimer: I have been a…

> I'm a big fan of Drew You know he ran the Stallman hit piece, right? You know it was also discovered he was into a certain type of Japanese "art" involving the exact same child-involved things he criticized Stallman for right? (There's a website detailing it, but gets flagged/removed from here) You should not be a fan of Drew. He is a terrible human being. I had a friend house him during a conference and found the…

Hmmm. Now I'm not sure what to think. Despite the flack he gets, I've thought most of what he wrote was reasonable, including the Stallman Report — although it's been a long while since I read it carefully.

I'm curious as to what flavor of insufferable he was to your friend.

As for being into sexually explicit drawings of minors… yuck.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by NautilusWave » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 8:48 PM UTC

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #64

There are two things that don't sit right with me: 1. "the FOSS community shouldered the burden – both with our labor and our wallets – of a massive exodus onto our volunteer-operated servers" -- this implies that users actually using decentralized services is a burden, a bad thing. Or rather, that a) it would be much better if Twitter was better and people just continued using Twitter rather than FOSS platforms b) t…

That sounds like something a billionaire would say.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by huijzer » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 9:28 PM UTC

> [...] peacefully prevent the talk from proceeding as scheduled.

I am strongly opposed to this idea. We should not be burning books and should not be preventing talks from proceeding.

See Tim Urban's book What's Our Problem?: A Self-Help Book for Societies for why blocking speakers is a bad idea. Tim's argument essentially is that it's okay to decide you don't want to see a speaker, it's also okay to decide if you advice your friends to not see a speaker, but it's not okay to block a speaker from speaking to anyone.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by timeon » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 9:47 PM UTC

I do not have opinion about the person or general issue, but platforming crypto scam at FOSDEM is rather sad.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 10:08 PM UTC

"If billionaires want to participate in FOSS, I'm going to ask them to refrain from using our platforms to talk about their AI/blockchain/bitcoin/climate-disaster-as-a-service grifty business ventures, and instead buy our respect by, say, donating 250 million dollars to NLNet or the Sovereign Tech Fund."

It seems that Dorsey is into cryptocurrency.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/square-changes-name-to-block-da...

https://fortune.com/crypto/2023/02/21/bitcoiners-flocking-to...

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jack-dorseys-bitcoin-vision-b...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0eMHXx6zdg

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-04-13/twitter-f...

https://www.cnbctv18.com/technology/jack-dorsey-seeks-court-...

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by fizzler » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 10:25 PM UTC

zellyn wrote: post #155

airhangerf15 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm a big fan of Drew You know he ran the Stallman hit piece, right? You know it was also discovered he was into a certain type of Japanese "art" involving the exact same child-involved things he criticized Stallman for right? (There's a website detailing it, but gets flagged/removed from here) You should not be a fan of Drew. He is a terrible human being. I had a friend house him during a conference and found the…

Hmmm. Now I'm not sure what to think. Despite the flack he gets, I've thought most of what he wrote was reasonable, including the Stallman Report — although it's been a long while since I read it carefully. I'm curious as to what flavor of insufferable he was to your friend. As for being into sexually explicit drawings of minors… yuck.

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