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In 2009, Microsoft Still Underestimates the Web

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Re: In 2009, Microsoft Still Underestimates the Web

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Of the many pieces of evidence that Microsoft doesn't get the web, the fact that they suffer under download spikes is one of the least persuasive. For example: they think that buying Yahoo, the slowly sinking grandaddy of the web, is somehow going to help them beat Google, even though Google has been wiping the floor with Yahoo for near-on a decade now.

Re: In 2009, Microsoft Still Underestimates the Web

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Some tech at Microsoft chose the wrong server to host a download, therefore Microsoft's corporate strategy with respect to the Web is "clueless"? Hard to argue with that kind of logic.

I don't think it is a good indicator of corporate strategy, but is deeper than just a bad web server.

I tried to get it so I could have a Windows machine for IE testing.

1) It required me to log in with my Microsoft Id. I didn't have one. No link or hint for how to create an account.

2) I clicked about a bit and found where to create an account. The SSL certificate was flagged as signed by an unrecognized authority. It was still a microsoft machine and I had come in from a trusted path, so I accepted it anyway.

3) This new account sent me an email to validate, but allowed me to log in and proceed BEFORE the validation was sent. Probably an abuse vector there.

4) I then get a page with a little green "loading" indicator spinning about. After staring at that for an hour I checked the javascript log and the javascript had blown up on load and left the animated gif misleading me that progress was happening. Don't be updating the loading user feedback device if you aren't loading. That is called lying.

5) Tried a couple more browsers, no better results. Eventually it degraded to 404s and then a "Coming Soon" page.

There are numerous warts on a rollout that is, at least partially, intended to change the media dialog from the negative tone of Vista to a "now things are good" message of Windows 7.

Re: In 2009, Microsoft Still Underestimates the Web

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post #2

Of the many pieces of evidence that Microsoft doesn't get the web, the fact that they suffer under download spikes is one of the least persuasive. For example: they think that buying Yahoo, the slowly sinking grandaddy of the web, is somehow going to help them beat Google, even though Google has been wiping the floor with Yahoo for near-on a decade now.

Why does it have to be about beating Google?

Business acquire companies to make money, to get ROI. That comes well before beating a competitor in any investment, unless its clear that they will damage your market share in the future.

Consumers will still need desktop OS's for a long time and Google isn't competing with Microsoft on the enterprise front (yet).

Live search is only a small portion of Microsoft's revenue, but $44 billion is a significant amount of cash.

Re: In 2009, Microsoft Still Underestimates the Web

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Some tech at Microsoft chose the wrong server to host a download, therefore Microsoft's corporate strategy with respect to the Web is "clueless"? Hard to argue with that kind of logic.

I don't think it is a good indicator of corporate strategy, but is deeper than just a bad web server. I tried to get it so I could have a Windows machine for IE testing. 1) It required me to log in with my Microsoft Id. I didn't have one. No link or hint for how to create an account. 2) I clicked about a bit and found where to create an account. The SSL certificate was flagged as signed by an unrecognized authority.…

Yesterday I too tried to download the new version of windows life; but after 33%, it would not download any further

:(

Re: In 2009, Microsoft Still Underestimates the Web

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Especially after Microsoft's Cashback.com outage on Black Friday (the worst day for an e-shopping site to go down), I'm surprised they let this happen. This was on the calendar for a long time, and they should've gone to great lengths to make sure they could handle the traffic.

Re: In 2009, Microsoft Still Underestimates the Web

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> Microsoft's not the only one who's blown web launches. Apple did it spectacularly with MobileMe

Oh, come on! Those aren't even in the same category. MobileMe wasn't a big file to download. If tanking on a large download means Microsoft is underestimating the web, then what the heck was Apple underestimating with MobileMe?

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