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OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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Re: OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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No way OpenAI will ever “good citizen” this. Tools to opt out of training sets will only come if they are legally compelled. Governments will have to make respecting some sort of training preference header on public content mandatory I think. The fact that photographers have to independently submit each piece of work they wanted excluded along with detailed descriptions just shows how much they DONT want anyone exclu…

Insofar as data for diffusion / image / video models are concerned, the rise of synthetic data and data efficiency will mean that none of this really matters anyway. We were just in the bootstrapping phase. You can bolt on new functional modules and train them with very limited data you acquire from Unreal Engine or in the field.

I don’t entirely agree. For example, it’s a very popular scheme on Etsy right now to use LLMs to generate posters in the style of popular artists. Any artist should be able to say hey I don’t want my works to be part of your training set to power derivative generations.

And I think it should even apply retroactively so that they have to retrain their models that are already generating works from training data consumed without permission. Of course, OpenAI would fight that tooth & nail but they put themselves in this position with a clear “take first ask permission later” mentality.

Re: OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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People need to understand these companies are not good actors and will not let you opt out unless forced. I have a 20 dollar bet with a friend that Trump's admin will get training data classified as fair use and the whole issue will be done away with anyway

Re: OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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post #7

No way OpenAI will ever “good citizen” this. Tools to opt out of training sets will only come if they are legally compelled. Governments will have to make respecting some sort of training preference header on public content mandatory I think. The fact that photographers have to independently submit each piece of work they wanted excluded along with detailed descriptions just shows how much they DONT want anyone exclu…

Insofar as data for diffusion / image / video models are concerned, the rise of synthetic data and data efficiency will mean that none of this really matters anyway. We were just in the bootstrapping phase. You can bolt on new functional modules and train them with very limited data you acquire from Unreal Engine or in the field.

For clarity, I do agree that synthetic data is huge for training AI to do certain tasks or skills. But I don’t think creative work generation is powered by synthetic data and may not be for a quite while.

Re: OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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Eventually the headline will be the first 2 words. The tech is neat, there is value in a sense, LLMs are a fun tech. They are not going to invent AGI with LLMs.

who cares if they do it with LLMs or not? how do you define agi?

… very carefully?

Re: OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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No way OpenAI will ever “good citizen” this. Tools to opt out of training sets will only come if they are legally compelled. Governments will have to make respecting some sort of training preference header on public content mandatory I think. The fact that photographers have to independently submit each piece of work they wanted excluded along with detailed descriptions just shows how much they DONT want anyone exclu…

> The fact that photographers have to independently submit each piece of work they wanted excluded along with detailed descriptions just shows how much they DONT want anyone excluding content from their training data.

That's bloody brilliant. If you don't want us to scrape your content, please send us your content with all of the training data already provided so we will know not to scrape it if we come across it in the wild. FFS

Re: OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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People need to understand these companies are not good actors and will not let you opt out unless forced. I have a 20 dollar bet with a friend that Trump's admin will get training data classified as fair use and the whole issue will be done away with anyway

Apparently, Trump has a lot of training data stored in a bathroom, so there's that

Re: OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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"By continuing, you agree that using any content from this site in training Generative AI grants the site-owner a perpetual, irrevocable, and royalty-free license to use and re-license any and all output created by that Generative AI system, including but not limited to derivative works based on that output."

Just just a GPL-esque idea I've been musing lately [0], I'd appreciate any feedback from actual IP lawyers. The idea is to add a poison-pill, and if a company "steals" your content for their own profit, you can strike back by making it very hard for them to actually monetize the results. Since it's a kind of contract, it doesn't rely on how much work seems to be surfacing in a particular output.

So supposing ArtTheft Inc. snarfs up Jane Doe's paintings from her blog, she--or any similar victim--can declare that they grant the world an almost-public license to anything ArtTheft Inc. has made based on that model. If this happens ArtTheft Inc. could still make some money selling physical prints, but anyone else could undercut them with free or cheaper copies.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42582615

Re: OpenAI fails to deliver opt-out system for photographers

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post #5
post #3

Eventually the headline will be the first 2 words. The tech is neat, there is value in a sense, LLMs are a fun tech. They are not going to invent AGI with LLMs.

who cares if they do it with LLMs or not? how do you define agi?

Whatever makes Open AI enough money?
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