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Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app

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Post by Mainsail »

sandspar wrote: post #7
itsibitzi wrote: post #2

As someone who works in the news industry I find it pretty sad that we've just capitulated to big tech on this one. There are countless examples of AI summaries getting things catastrophically wrong, but I guess Google has long since decided that pushing AI was more important than accurate or relevant results, as can also be seen with their search results that simply omit parts of your query. I can only hope this dat…

Journalism is dying, killed by its own excesses and by the internet. Google is offering it life support. The other option is death.

Theoretical question. What is replacing it? Is it this? Is it something else? Nothing? Curious to peoples thoughts on this.

Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app

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Post by contagiousflow »

sandspar wrote: post #7
itsibitzi wrote: post #2

As someone who works in the news industry I find it pretty sad that we've just capitulated to big tech on this one. There are countless examples of AI summaries getting things catastrophically wrong, but I guess Google has long since decided that pushing AI was more important than accurate or relevant results, as can also be seen with their search results that simply omit parts of your query. I can only hope this dat…

Journalism is dying, killed by its own excesses and by the internet. Google is offering it life support. The other option is death.

And what are we going to feed into the models without the journalism?

Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app

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Post by baq »

stusmall wrote: post #9
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gemini is the leading model with the lowest hallucination rate: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-ai-models-with-the-l... I would expect that number to go down from 1.3% to below 1% over the course of the year. There's always a chance what you're reading is wrong - due to purposeful deception, negligence, or accident. Realistically, hardly anything is 100% accurate besides math.

1.3% isn't great. I'd rather just go, and pay, directly to trusted news sources. Everyone has different tolerance for falsehoods and priorities I guess.

You’d have to pay quite a bit to get journalists to answer your questions specifically.

The whole isn’t about generating news articles, it’s about getting the model up to date on facts so it can synthesize a newspaper for you. I’d say it’s a way to get journalists to be journalists again instead of clickbait composers - as long as the model doesn’t inject clickbait there itself. I don’t trust Google to not do it sometime, but they aren’t doing it now and the infrastructure is being made for others to consume when Gemini suffers from inevitable enshittification.

Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app

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Post by 331c8c71 »

We've gone the whole way from decentralization and rebelliousness of the early internet and the landscape is becoming suffocatingly sterile (=lifeless).

I'm much more excited about eventual emergence of underground homebrew models without any guardrails...

Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app

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Post by baq »

contagiousflow wrote: post #12
sandspar wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Journalism is dying, killed by its own excesses and by the internet. Google is offering it life support. The other option is death.

And what are we going to feed into the models without the journalism?

Exactly the right question. Journalism has been given a lifeline, a way out of the attention economy.

Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app

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Post by airstrike »

Mainsail wrote: post #11
sandspar wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Journalism is dying, killed by its own excesses and by the internet. Google is offering it life support. The other option is death.

Theoretical question. What is replacing it? Is it this? Is it something else? Nothing? Curious to peoples thoughts on this.

I'd wager 95% of what we call journalism today could simply disappear with no replacement and the world would be better off.

Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app

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Post by mattlondon »

Mainsail wrote: post #11
sandspar wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Journalism is dying, killed by its own excesses and by the internet. Google is offering it life support. The other option is death.

Theoretical question. What is replacing it? Is it this? Is it something else? Nothing? Curious to peoples thoughts on this.

Potentially social media to a certain degree, at least for raw "news" of what is happening.

Of course that willm be shit, but there we are.

Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app

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Post by eichi »

One of the CEO was really competitive and has been the few legecy asset which are contributing current Google: other legecy assets are pools of competitive people who hadn't found the best place to show the ability. Current google is just the target of the good profile.

Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app

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Post by notatoad »

dismalaf wrote: post #8
itsibitzi wrote: post #2

As someone who works in the news industry I find it pretty sad that we've just capitulated to big tech on this one. There are countless examples of AI summaries getting things catastrophically wrong, but I guess Google has long since decided that pushing AI was more important than accurate or relevant results, as can also be seen with their search results that simply omit parts of your query. I can only hope this dat…

> I can only hope this data is being incorporated in some way that makes hallucinations less likely. The key word is "real-time". LLMs can't be trained in realtime, so it's obviously going to call an API that pulls up and reads from AP news, just like their search engine.

i don't think you can assume that - "real time" in this context could just mean they feed every article into their training system as soon as it's published.

Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app

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Post by great_tankard »

sandspar wrote: post #7
itsibitzi wrote: post #2

As someone who works in the news industry I find it pretty sad that we've just capitulated to big tech on this one. There are countless examples of AI summaries getting things catastrophically wrong, but I guess Google has long since decided that pushing AI was more important than accurate or relevant results, as can also be seen with their search results that simply omit parts of your query. I can only hope this dat…

Journalism is dying, killed by its own excesses and by the internet. Google is offering it life support. The other option is death.

You might want to look into why "journalism is dying" and whether Google (and Facebook) had anything to do with it.
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