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TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by quelup »

lenerdenator wrote: post #41

I say this as someone who was in high school as the first wave of social media sites (early Facebook, MySpace, Xanga, etc.) came up: Just get rid of all of them. They're battery acid poured on the human psyche. Or, at least, get rid of the centralized massive ones. If you have to combine your online interactions with people with the interactions you have with them in real life, you're better off, and that doesn't hap…

There's a lot of issues with social media - I don't think anyone denies that. But not everyone thinks like the HN crew. What about the millions of users who actually enjoy FB and use it to connect with friends and family? To pretend that use case doesn't exist seems naive and biased. There's a reason these companies are so big - some people actually like them. Maybe they're the naive ones and we need to save them from themselves, but I don't think it's that black and white.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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erentz wrote: post #355
lenerdenator wrote: post #41

I say this as someone who was in high school as the first wave of social media sites (early Facebook, MySpace, Xanga, etc.) came up: Just get rid of all of them. They're battery acid poured on the human psyche. Or, at least, get rid of the centralized massive ones. If you have to combine your online interactions with people with the interactions you have with them in real life, you're better off, and that doesn't hap…

First, people say things like they can't not use Facebook because it has marketplace, etc. shows there has clearly been an issue of not enforcing any kind of anti-trust laws for the past 20 years since US v Microsoft in the browser wars days. The FTC over the past four years has taken a turn here and is starting to do that work again, it's slow but it needs to continue. Second, these companies behave as publishers wi…

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Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by stonesthrowaway »

abeppu wrote: post #230

> The outcome of the shutdown would be different from that mandated by the law. The law would mandate a ban only on new TikTok downloads on Apple or Google app stores, while existing users could continue using it for some time. Does anyone have thoughts on why TikTok would choose to stop for existing users? I.e. why would they choose to do more than the minimum required by the law? It's nice that they want to point p…

> Does anyone have thoughts on why TikTok would choose to stop for existing users?

What business would choose to keep operating if it can't gain new customers? Think about it. The law makes it impossible for tiktok to grow or be profitable. What advertiser would be interested in a platform that will lose users every day and won't gain more in the future?

The law was sneakily and intentially written to outright ban tiktok. It would be like congress creating a law saying you specifically cannot buy more gas. You can keep using the gas in the car, but you can't fill up your tank anymore. Would you spend thousands to fix your car? Change the oil or the tire? No. You'd either sell the damn thing or just throw it away.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by intended »

lenerdenator wrote: post #41

I say this as someone who was in high school as the first wave of social media sites (early Facebook, MySpace, Xanga, etc.) came up: Just get rid of all of them. They're battery acid poured on the human psyche. Or, at least, get rid of the centralized massive ones. If you have to combine your online interactions with people with the interactions you have with them in real life, you're better off, and that doesn't hap…

The early waves of most communities is 'better'. Strangely this is really consistent, even if you've been on sites quite a bit.

One of the rules of moderation I believe in, is that the workload depends on the nature of the people in your community.

Oh, so communities follow the rules of subculture founding and decline ???

So there should be a point where things that were not cool, become cool again?

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Post by mrsilencedogood »

nyarlathotep_ wrote: post #259
lenerdenator wrote: post #41

I say this as someone who was in high school as the first wave of social media sites (early Facebook, MySpace, Xanga, etc.) came up: Just get rid of all of them. They're battery acid poured on the human psyche. Or, at least, get rid of the centralized massive ones. If you have to combine your online interactions with people with the interactions you have with them in real life, you're better off, and that doesn't hap…

> early Facebook, MySpace, Xanga, etc. This was really a fun time and it was a whole new vista for interaction. It was really something to enter a new age. That feeling didn't last long, but I still got value from Facebook until the early 2010s.

I remember so fondly coming home from high school and reading over my friends posts, curating the pins on my pin/cork board, messaging friends who would otherwise not be savvy enough to join MSN or IRC or yahoo messenger...

Now I feel physical disgust when I look at the FB logo

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by ergonaught »

US citizens do not want this.

Every news article descending into tangents on any other point than that is part of why we can't have nice things.

The whole country has turned into some sort of lower primate improv troupe where whatever stupid thing comes up gets a "Yes and let's" diversion instead of an adult in the room standing up and cutting the crap.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by stonesthrowaway »

richwater wrote: post #359
stonesthrowaway wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why doesn’t China simply open up for domestic competition? China does allow competition. It's just that google, facebook, etc chose not to follow chinese laws. > they have so much to lose by growing anti-sino sentiments abroad all because they didn’t want US tech monopolies to compete in their home turf Funny how microsoft, apple, tesla, etc are competing in china? You are just parroting stale propaganda.

> China does allow competition. It's just that google, facebook, etc chose not to follow chinese laws. HAHA, thanks for giving me a good laugh

Typical pathetic response from a silly political activist. There are tons of american companies operating in china. I listed few of the biggest. Google used to operate in china. But when china tighten their laws, google chose not to follow them and left. Probably because google, like facebook, are state sponsored propaganda outfits. Unlike tiktok...

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by arduinomancer »

currymj wrote: post #200

obviously bad policy for many reasons, but as a geriatric millennial I'm selfishly happy. As long as the ban continues, I will never have to sit on the bus and listen to those horrible robot voices blasting nonsense out of someone's phone speakers.

There’s nothing worse than listening to the audio of someone else scrolling TikTok

Hearing the same 10 second clip of a song 20 times

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

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Post by moi2388 »

One thing that would make social media much better, is forcing providers by law to ensure everybody sees the same content.

Example: I can be on Reddit in subreddit A. You can be on Reddit in subreddit B.

We would obviously still see different content.

But ALL members of subreddit A MUST see the exact same topics in the exact same order with the exact same comments and likes/dislikes.

This would help build up a more shared “worldview” like mediums such as radio and TV did; you chose the channel, but everybody on the same channel gets the same information.

This would then allow the service provider and potentially government agencies, as well as users themselves, to moderate harmful content or false information more reliably.

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