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Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

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Nationalists are not motivated by reason. Just telling them they're going to start a nuclear war isn't a deterrent. Loyalty, sacrifice, obedience, ethnicity, borders, tradition, etc are their primary motivators today. If they have to end the world with nukes to protect "their" nation, then by golly, that's what they'll do. Self-preservation isn't as important as preservation of the ethos . Look at any white nationali…

> Nationalists are not motivated by reason. It's curious how nationalists, who often claim their stance is grounded in objective truths, almost always champion the nation of their birth.

There's this quip (sounds like something Ambrose Bierce would say)

Edit: It was G.B. Shaw!

'Patriotism is the conviction that the country of your birth is superior to others because you were born in it.'

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

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> engineers mused over whether there was anything to be done top stop a torrent of enemy missiles falling across the nation. These superweapons seemed to promise destruction on an overbearing scale, threatening the very existence of human civilization itself. THEY STILL DO!!!! This is what drives me nuts about our politics: so many people seem to think we can flirt with the sort of nationalism (1) that led us into WW…

> Mutually Assured Destruction is still a thing.

My assessment is that it isn't.

The only MAD-able nation states in the 1980s were the United States and the Soviet Union.

Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Russian successor state has been unable to adequately maintain its military.

I have seen ample evidence that the entire Russian military apparatus is a fraud and no evidence that it is not. The examples are too many to list in total so here are some highlights:

1. A string of ballistic missile test failures.

2. Photographic evidence of the poor conditions of their ballistic missile submarine bases and the submarines themselves including submarines that are considered "active" but haven't left port in many years.

3. The halving in the last 30 years of the number of Rocket Armies and the reduction of Rocket Divisions within the Rocket Armies.

4. The reassignment of Rocket Army personnel, supposedly the highest-priority and most stringently-selected personnel in the Russian Armed Forces, for duty in Ukraine where they have very quickly been killed.

5. Obsolete equipment rendering their strategic bombing forces ineffective in the face of Ukrainian air defense systems to the point that no strategic bombers enter Ukrainian airspace, instead lobbing cruise missiles into Ukraine from outside the air defense envelope due to numerous airframes being lost to, quite frankly, an inadequate and patchwork Ukrainian air defense network.

I find any military that claims to have thousands of nuclear warheads ready to launch but cannot feed or clothe its infantryman to be, as the kids put it, "sus".

Finally, they seem to have shifted their rhetoric to absurd doomsday weapons because they know we know that their nukes are shit so they have to come up with "nuclear tsunami torpedoes" and "nuclear doomsday cruise missiles" which are, I'm telling you as an engineer not a poly-sci major who grew up on Cold War fetishism and is now an "analyst", impossible fantasies.

So you have the nuclear triad: submarines, bombers, and land-based ballistic missiles.

Their subs are rusting hulks that rarely leave port, and those that do are at Kursk/Moskva levels of readiness.

Their bombers can't even operate over Ukraine, a nation subsisting on single-digit percentages of obsolete NATO equipment.

Their land-based ballistic missiles keep blowing up on the ground. Even their saber-rattling launch before Biden's trip to Ukraine, something that they would want to get right, exploded on the launchpad.

Let's be very clear: they still have nuclear weapons.

But MAD is MAD. Annihilation. Extinction. Not "fuck this is bad", but "fuck we're all doomed, permanently, forever".

MAD doesn't mean NYC gets nuked, MAD means all human life on earth ends for all practical purposes with only scattered bands of irradiated survivors in the southern latitudes.

Russia is almost certainly incapable of MAD.

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

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There have been wargames where it has been simulated with China using its entire commercial fishing fleet as the amphibious assault force. It wouldn't be easily stoppable.

Why and how would a fishing fleet be unstoppable? Why is that better than actual landing vehicles?

I'm guessing Taiwan would only have so many anti-ship missiles so if you have more ships than that you wouldn't be able to get them all.

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

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> Also worth considering is that, even if higher limits reduce the rate of accidents, accidents at higher speeds are almost universally more severe. Obviously this is true, and especially important at low speeds, but I wonder how much difference there is between 70 and 80 — I would have assumed they are both typically fatal

The energy is exponential. It takes 30% farther to stop going 80 than it does going 70. One of my favorite trivia is the scenario that a car going 50 mph sees an obstruction in front and slams on its brakes and stops just in time just tapping it. A car next to him going 70 mph sees the same object, has faster reflexes, and hits his brakes at the exact same spot of the road. He slams into the object at 50 mph. Just th…

Right the energy is exponentially, but I’d claim that fatalities are saturating.

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

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Air travel has really only become commonplace fairly recently. Decade over decade growth has pushed the domain of the wealthiest, then well off, down to just about anyone. > space travel quick and mundane Space travel was rare and extremely expensive until very recently when we’ve made huge strides. And this isn’t just a singular SpaceX thing the from ion engines to basics like solar panels things have been steadily…

>Air travel has really only become commonplace fairly recently. Air travel has been mundane for at least the better part of a century now. Just to remind us all how old we are: The Boeing 747 first flew in 1969 and went into initial service with Pan Am in 1970, that's 55 years ago. >Space travel was rare and extremely expensive I said quick and mundane which the Space Shuttle accomplished in spades. Nobody talks abou…

Mundane != commonplace, in 1969 when the very first 747 entered service there was exactly 1 of them in service. It took a long time to build up an actual fleet of them.

Aircraft are a durable good, 20 year old aircraft are in regular service even today.

> quick and mundane which the Space Shuttle accomplished in spades.

Again perception not reality, from 1981 to 2011 each shuttle averaged roughly 1 flight per year. The program was paused twice for multiple years after each failure.

It was very much still an experimental program where they where they constantly tweaked things not a mundane just do everything the same every time kind of thing. “Shuttle main engines 104 percent” because the RS 25 went through a series of upgrades. FMOF, Phase I, Phase II (RS-25A), Block I (RS-25B), Block IA (RS-25B), Block IIA (RS-25C), Block II (RS-25D): First flown on STS-104.

> Russia was never considered Western

So rather than falling, that suggests an overall trend of political ascendancy of the west through at least the fall of the USSR in 1991.

> perceived as bad) economy

Perception has become wildly devoid of reality. The US economy handled COVID amazingly well, but we’ve become so used to success we don’t even understand what it means to suffer minimal issues. We’ve had such long term success we’ve forgotten what failure looks like, that’s about the opposite of failure.

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

#186

> engineers mused over whether there was anything to be done top stop a torrent of enemy missiles falling across the nation. These superweapons seemed to promise destruction on an overbearing scale, threatening the very existence of human civilization itself. THEY STILL DO!!!! This is what drives me nuts about our politics: so many people seem to think we can flirt with the sort of nationalism (1) that led us into WW…

> Mutually Assured Destruction is still a thing. My assessment is that it isn't. The only MAD-able nation states in the 1980s were the United States and the Soviet Union. Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Russian successor state has been unable to adequately maintain its military. I have seen ample evidence that the entire Russian military apparatus is a fraud and no evidence that it is not. The example…

Is "almost certainly" a risk we should be willing to take? And even if Russia is not capable of MAD, what does that change?

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

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post #185

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>Air travel has really only become commonplace fairly recently. Air travel has been mundane for at least the better part of a century now. Just to remind us all how old we are: The Boeing 747 first flew in 1969 and went into initial service with Pan Am in 1970, that's 55 years ago. >Space travel was rare and extremely expensive I said quick and mundane which the Space Shuttle accomplished in spades. Nobody talks abou…

Mundane != commonplace, in 1969 when the very first 747 entered service there was exactly 1 of them in service. It took a long time to build up an actual fleet of them. Aircraft are a durable good, 20 year old aircraft are in regular service even today. > quick and mundane which the Space Shuttle accomplished in spades. Again perception not reality, from 1981 to 2011 each shuttle averaged roughly 1 flight per year. T…

>in 1969 when the very first 747 entered service there was exactly 1 of them in service.

Yeah, and also in 1969 air travel was already mundane.

>that suggests an overall trend of political ascendancy of the west through at least the fall of the USSR in 1991.

I did argue the peak of the West was in the mid to late 20th century.

>We’ve had such long term success we’ve forgotten what failure looks like.

The 2008 Great Recession was the latest significant failure, though even that was actually pretty mild as failures go.

Nonetheless the economy today is bad, because Main Street says it's bad. Complaints of inflation, stagnant wages, rising costs of living, among others are all real.

I suppose if there's any consolation, at least a head of cabbage doesn't cost around $7 dollars here (yet?) unlike in Japan.[1]

[1]: https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15582870

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

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post #185

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Mundane != commonplace, in 1969 when the very first 747 entered service there was exactly 1 of them in service. It took a long time to build up an actual fleet of them. Aircraft are a durable good, 20 year old aircraft are in regular service even today. > quick and mundane which the Space Shuttle accomplished in spades. Again perception not reality, from 1981 to 2011 each shuttle averaged roughly 1 flight per year. T…

>in 1969 when the very first 747 entered service there was exactly 1 of them in service. Yeah, and also in 1969 air travel was already mundane. >that suggests an overall trend of political ascendancy of the west through at least the fall of the USSR in 1991. I did argue the peak of the West was in the mid to late 20th century. >We’ve had such long term success we’ve forgotten what failure looks like. The 2008 Great R…

> 2008 Great Recession

Recessions are benchmarked relative to the years around it not overall economy by historic standards. At the peak of 2008’s recession things were still doing quite well. 10.0% unemployment and 5.1% drop in GDP from the peak is tiny.

It doesn’t even qualify in the top 10 US recessions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_Unit...

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

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post #186

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> Mutually Assured Destruction is still a thing. My assessment is that it isn't. The only MAD-able nation states in the 1980s were the United States and the Soviet Union. Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Russian successor state has been unable to adequately maintain its military. I have seen ample evidence that the entire Russian military apparatus is a fraud and no evidence that it is not. The example…

Is "almost certainly" a risk we should be willing to take? And even if Russia is not capable of MAD, what does that change?

>And even if Russia is not capable of MAD, what does that change?

They should be thought of and treated like North Korea with oil, not the Soviet Union 2.0.

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

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I doubt there would be any meaningful resistance, TBH.

I could not disagree harder. I know a decent number of Taiwanese people and their hatred of communists is like my ex-Soviet friends: very very deep

I know many who work in the mainland. I don't really think there is going to be a war though, maybe a super short one. It is mostly the consequences that puts CCP on check. But maybe in a few years they won't care anymore.
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