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Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

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Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

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> engineers mused over whether there was anything to be done top stop a torrent of enemy missiles falling across the nation. These superweapons seemed to promise destruction on an overbearing scale, threatening the very existence of human civilization itself. THEY STILL DO!!!! This is what drives me nuts about our politics: so many people seem to think we can flirt with the sort of nationalism (1) that led us into WW…

you have it all backward > we can flirt with the sort of nationalism that led us into WWI and WWII who are you speaking for? because nationalism didn't lead us , the US, into either world war; a desire on the part of our elected officials to save/preserve our democratic European allies did; that and a direct attack from the Empire of Japan. > Mutually Assured Destruction is still a thing yes, and thank God, because M…

> you have it all backward > > >we can flirt with the sort of nationalism that led us into WWI and WWII > > who are you speaking for? because nationalism didn't lead us, the US, into either world war; a desire on the part of our elected officials to save/preserve our democratic European allies did; that and a direct attack from the Empire of Japan. > There are other people than the citizens oft USA in HN.

Personally I understood "us" in this sentence as global citizen, people from Americas, Europe, Asia, Africa who had their grandfathers living during WWI and WWII.

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

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The title and some of the comments assume it would be something like if you take 15 extra minutes you would just die . When in reality it would just be an increase in cancer risk. If it were THAT contaminated they'd use the AREA CLOSED the article mentions anyways. To be fatal within days you need about 10,000 mSv of exposure. Even with heavy fallout, exposure would probably be around 10 mSv per hour.

Well 10mSv per hour is a really small dose rate considering post-SIOP environment. That's what will be there for a threshold of "heavy" (300Sv total dose) fallout areas, in 6 months. Or pretty much everywhere including areas with no hits for hundreds of km away and no visible fallout, for at least a week.

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

#173

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> WW1 kicked off due to a royal getting murdered in broad daylight which triggered a cascade of alliances. Nationality had nothing to do with it. The murderer Gavrilo Princip was a Serbian nationalist, who committed the murder for nationalist reasons.

So you’re saying that if we want to avoid World War 3 we have to get rid of nationalism in Serbia ?

This is… not a bad question at all. Serbia is punching above its weight in the current political situation in Europe thanks to being close to Putin and participating in the Chinese new Silk Road and the Serbian Orthodox Church is an amazing hate machine, rivaling their Russian counterparts easily.

While it wouldn’t stop ww3 it would remove one of the hot spots.

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

#174

Driving in montana before the state implemented a max speed, I'd have my cruise control set at 100 mph. I remember seeing limos pass me like I was sitting still. I miss those days.

Visit Germany. The right stretch of Autobahn at the right time and you can still experience this. I just did two days ago.

Note insurance companies can not pay out if you drive too fast even if there’s no limit.

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

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Nationalists are not motivated by reason. Just telling them they're going to start a nuclear war isn't a deterrent. Loyalty, sacrifice, obedience, ethnicity, borders, tradition, etc are their primary motivators today. If they have to end the world with nukes to protect "their" nation, then by golly, that's what they'll do. Self-preservation isn't as important as preservation of the ethos . Look at any white nationali…

> Nationalists are not motivated by reason. It's curious how nationalists, who often claim their stance is grounded in objective truths, almost always champion the nation of their birth.

From what I've gathered trying to talk to reasonable people who have different points of view from me, the main concern is preserving one's way of life. Their culture.

I've heard the phrase "the more of the third world you bring in, the more similar your country will be to the third world".

And be there no mistake - the countries that these people call "third world" don't want European or American culture infiltrating their societies either.

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

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Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

#177
post #114

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> Also worth considering is that, even if higher limits reduce the rate of accidents, accidents at higher speeds are almost universally more severe. Obviously this is true, and especially important at low speeds, but I wonder how much difference there is between 70 and 80 — I would have assumed they are both typically fatal

The energy is exponential. It takes 30% farther to stop going 80 than it does going 70. One of my favorite trivia is the scenario that a car going 50 mph sees an obstruction in front and slams on its brakes and stops just in time just tapping it. A car next to him going 70 mph sees the same object, has faster reflexes, and hits his brakes at the exact same spot of the road. He slams into the object at 50 mph. Just th…

> The energy is exponential.

No, kinetic energy is only quadratic in the velocity, E = ½ mv².

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

#178
post #104

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you can’t have de-escalation from just one side. When one side has embraced facism, invades neighbors and does hybrid attacks against you the only path that does not lead to MAD is when you are so overwhelmingly stronger that they have no choice but back up or die. The wars always start if and only if aggressor thinks that the they can “win” something over the force.

You don't oppose someone recklessly gambling mass death by recklessly gambling mass death yourself, you just call their bluffs and maintain clear no-go lines.

There is a wikipedia page with a list of NATO "red lines" crossed by putin, look it up

It's a catch-22 anyway. NATO still really wants to de-escalate, but by allowing Putin to cross these red lines they show weakness to a person who values strength. However if they react violently to a crossed red line, they might trigger EU-wide or worldwide war (not necessarily nuclear).

I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of NATO leaders right now

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

#179

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> Nationalists are not motivated by reason. It's curious how nationalists, who often claim their stance is grounded in objective truths, almost always champion the nation of their birth.

From what I've gathered trying to talk to reasonable people who have different points of view from me, the main concern is preserving one's way of life. Their culture. I've heard the phrase "the more of the third world you bring in, the more similar your country will be to the third world". And be there no mistake - the countries that these people call "third world" don't want European or American culture infiltratin…

That was sort of my point: it's not a reasoned stance (e.g. culture X is objectively superior), but an emotional one (e.g. I have an emotional attachment to culture X).

Re: Road signs to help people limit radiation exposure in contaminated areas

#180

Anyone know where there any installations of these signs?

Similar signs were installed near highly contaminated parts of Russia, specifically Chelyabinsk near lake Karachay, one of the most contaminated places on earth.

https://www.damninteresting.com/in-soviet-russia-lake-contam...

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