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GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Sure but do they have a moat here? Anyone that can connect to an LLM could make that app.

Does AWS have a moat on cloud computing?

Yes, it would take 10s of billions of dollars to recreate the infrastructure as far as servers and AWS has its own pipelines running under the oceans.

Then you have to recreate all of the services on top of the AWS.

Then you have to deal with regulations and certifications.

Then you have to convince decision makers to go against their own interests. “No one ever got fired for Amazon”.

Then you have to convince corporations to spend money to migrate.

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Bit of advice: you might want to actually use an offering before claiming it is revolutionary.

I've got 15 years of engineering experience, worked on some of the largest distributed systems at FAANG. Its coming

> worked on some of the largest distributed systems at FAANG.

As have 10s of thousands of other people who could invert a btree on the whiteboard….

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Siri has access to a wealth of private existing and future on-device APIs to fuel context sensitive responses to queries on vendor locked devices used all day long. (Which Apple has apparently decided to just not use yet.) OpenAI doesn't, they just have a ton of funding and (up to recently) a good mass media story, and the best natural language responses. The moat around Siri is much deeper, and I don't really see an…

I think there is an argument that currently Google Gemini is best place to tie everything together. Assuming Google executes on it well. Most people use Gmail, Docs, Google Maps, Google Calendar above Apples alternatives. Gemini could really tie them up well.

The counter argument is that Google doesn't maintain any of those services beyond the bare minimum for customer facing interactions, and exchanges between their services are even more poorly supported if they even exist at all.

Remember Google Sheets (already the Tonka Toys of spreadsheets) adding named tables to Sheets?

You can't use them in any of the AppsScript APIs. You have to fall back to manual searching for strings and index arithmetic.

Google Drive still barely supports anything like moving an entire folder to another folder.

They have failed at least a half dozen times now to deliver a functional chat/VOIP app after they already had one in Google Talk.

They regularly sunset products that actually have devoted and zealous user bases for indiscernible reasons.

Android is just chugging along doing nothing interesting and still carrying the same baggage it did before. It's a painful platform to develop for and the Jetpack Compose/Kotlin shift hasn't ameliorated much of that at all.

Their search offering is now worse than Bing, worse than Kagi, and worse than some of the LLM based tools that use their index. It's increasingly common that you can't even find a single link that you know an entire verbatim sentence from via Google search for inexplicable reasons. Exact keyword or phrase searches no longer work. You can't require a keyword in results.

I don't trust Google to deliver a single functional software product at this point, let alone a compelling integration of many different ones developed in different siloes.

About the only thing going for them is how many people still have Gmail accounts from that initial invite only and generous limits campaign... 20 years ago?

Google is not a healthy company. I don't invest in them anymore, and barring some major change I probably won't again. It's a dying blue chip which is a terrible position to have your money in.

P.S. oh, and Gemini is awful by comparison in both price and quality to competitors. It isn't saving them. It's just a "me too".

P.P.S. I'm personally just waiting for their next "game changing" announcement bound to fail to get in at the top floor on shorting what stock I have. It's one of those cases where finance has rose coloured glasses based on brand name that anyone who's used Google products for years would be thoroughly disabused of.

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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DateTime stuff is generally super annoying to debug. Can't fault them too badly. Adding a scheduler is a key enabling idea for a ton of use cases

Yeah, they're not exactly a scrappy startup- I'd be surprised if they had 0 QA. Makes me wonder if they internally have "press releases / Q" as an internal metric to keep up the hype.

Maybe that's the Q* we've been hearing rumors about

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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The beta is inconsistently showing (required a few refreshes to get something to show up), but my limited usage of it showed a plethora of issues: - Assumed UTC instead of EST. Corrected it and it still continued to bork - Added random time deltas to my asked times (+2, -10 min). - Couple notifications didn't go off at all - The one that did go off didn't provide a push notification. --- On top of that, only usable w…

You'd think Open AI's dev velocity and quality would be off the charts since they live and breathe "AI." If a company building ChatGPT itself often delivers buggy features then it doesn't bode well for this whole 'AI will eat the world' notion.

So far, I've found AI to be a great force multiplier in green field, small projects. In a huge corporate codebase, it has the power of advanced refactoring (which doesn't touch more than a handful files at a time) and a CSS wizard.

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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You'd think Open AI's dev velocity and quality would be off the charts since they live and breathe "AI." If a company building ChatGPT itself often delivers buggy features then it doesn't bode well for this whole 'AI will eat the world' notion.

According to all the magazines I've been reading, all that is required is to just prompt it with "please fix all of these issues" and give it a bulleted list with a single sentence describing each issue. I mean, it's AI powered and therefore much better than overpaid prima-donna engineers, so obviously it should "just work" and all the problems will get fixed. I'm sure most of the bugs were the result of humans meddl…

I think you forgot the /s (sarcasm) in your post!

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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The beta is inconsistently showing (required a few refreshes to get something to show up), but my limited usage of it showed a plethora of issues: - Assumed UTC instead of EST. Corrected it and it still continued to bork - Added random time deltas to my asked times (+2, -10 min). - Couple notifications didn't go off at all - The one that did go off didn't provide a push notification. --- On top of that, only usable w…

When I have it do a search I have to tell it to just get all the info it can in the search but wait for the next request. The I explicitly tell it we’re done searching and to treat the next prompt as a new request but using the new info it found.

That’s the only way I get it to have a halfway decent brain after a web search. Something about that mode makes it more like a PR drone version of whatever I asked it to search, repeating things verbatim even when I ask for more specifics in follow-up.

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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I think there is an argument that currently Google Gemini is best place to tie everything together. Assuming Google executes on it well. Most people use Gmail, Docs, Google Maps, Google Calendar above Apples alternatives. Gemini could really tie them up well.

The counter argument is that Google doesn't maintain any of those services beyond the bare minimum for customer facing interactions, and exchanges between their services are even more poorly supported if they even exist at all. Remember Google Sheets (already the Tonka Toys of spreadsheets) adding named tables to Sheets? You can't use them in any of the AppsScript APIs. You have to fall back to manual searching for s…

Gemini 2.0 is not bad in quality, and great in terms of speed.
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