Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

whitehouse.gov

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

101–110 of 113 posts

Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

#101

Post by gregw2 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #75
jay_kyburz wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I step through the logic in my mind, seems likely. Lets make the leap of faith that we can improve our AIs to actually understand code that it's reading and can suggest improvements. Current LLMs can't do it, but perhaps another approach can. I don't think this is a big leap. Might be 10 years, might be 100. It's not unreasonable to think there is a lot of cruft and optimization to be had in our current tech sta…

Let's say all of that happens. Is there any reason to believe that will lead to "a positive feedback loop of self-improvement cycles, each successive; and more intelligent generation appearing more and more rapidly, causing a rapid increase ("explosion") in intelligence which would ultimately result in a powerful superintelligence, qualitatively far surpassing all human intelligence"? Or is it more reasonable to supp…

A lot of tech improvements are s-curves or waves of s-curves, not exponentials. For a given problem domain you will still have s-curves, but for overall intelligence/progress it might be exponential in some overall sense.

Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

#102

Post by AyyEye »

sreejithr wrote: post #88
AyyEye wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Governments everywhere are racing to attach them to weapons.

Genuine question. Regarding language models specifically, would it really have value to be strapped on weapons?

Value to you or me? Unlikely. Value to others who wish to cut the cost of killing, increase the speed of killing, or launder accountability? Undoubtedly.

Siri, use his internet history to determine if he's a threat and deal with him appropriately.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-assisted_targeting_in_the...

> AI can process intel far faster than humans.[5][6] Retired Lt Gen. Aviv Kohavi, head of the IDF until 2023, stated that the system could produce 100 bombing targets in Gaza a day, with real-time recommendations which ones to attack, where human analysts might produce 50 a year

Putting them on weapons so they can skip the middle man is the next logical step.

Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

#103

Post by foolfoolz »

exogenousdata wrote: post #57
foolfoolz wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

when new presidents come in the rest of the government employees don’t change as well. some of these at higher levels are career employees who will serve through many presidents. timing your asks to just get approved by an outgoing president can make your future bright

Historically you are correct that only around 4,000 employees of the US federal government are 'political hires' that the President can change/hire/fire. However in October 2020, Trump ordered Schedule F [0] that effectively increases the number of career bureaucrats that could be made by political appointment rather than by a competitive process. The Order was promptly rescinded by the Biden administration in Jan 20…

sounds like fear mongering, since when this happened previously it had no impact

Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

#104

Post by spare_farts »

EmilStenstrom wrote: post #5

Summary of the concrete actions: 1. Early 2025: Identify Federal sites for AI data centers, clean energy facilities, and geothermal zones. Streamline permitting processes and draft reporting requirements for AI infrastructure. Develop a plan for global collaboration on trusted AI infrastructure. 2. By Mid-2025: Issue solicitations for AI infrastructure projects on Federal sites. Select winning proposals and announce…

[dead]

Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

#105

Post by cadamsdotcom »

shafyy wrote: post #91
JohnBooty wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to know how much this effort is about the government's belief in AI, and how much of it is about supporting the technology sector while using AI as a convenient buzzword. I think, though, that even if LLMs turn out to be a dead-end and don't progress much further... there are a lot of benefits here. One of the US's key strategic advantages is brain drain. We are one of the world's premier destinations for h…

> * One of the US's key strategic advantages is brain drain.* I think the brain drain has peaked. Many people here in Europe don't think much of the US anymore, while 20-30 years ago it was THE place to go. I'm sure many countries like India and China, for whom the US still might be somewhat attractive, are going to go the way of Europeans.

It’d be worth comparing your opinion to data, so you aren’t stuck with an unverified opinion.

Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

#106

Post by exogenousdata »

foolfoolz wrote: post #103
exogenousdata wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Historically you are correct that only around 4,000 employees of the US federal government are 'political hires' that the President can change/hire/fire. However in October 2020, Trump ordered Schedule F [0] that effectively increases the number of career bureaucrats that could be made by political appointment rather than by a competitive process. The Order was promptly rescinded by the Biden administration in Jan 20…

sounds like fear mongering, since when this happened previously it had no impact

Fear mongering was certainly not my intention. The simplest explanation for why this didn’t happen during President Trump’s first term was because the order was effective Oct 21st, 2020. Which was less than 2 weeks before President Biden won the popular & electoral vote.

I share your hope that the incoming Trump administration will uphold the usual norms of hiring & firing careers federal employees!

Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

#107

Post by lostmsu »

anon373839 wrote: post #100
sreejithr wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can a language model pose a national security risk?

It cannot. Remember when GPT-2 was too dangerous to release? And when industry “leaders” were begging for a moratorium on models stronger than GPT-4? The idea that this technology carries existential risk is how OpenAI and others generate the hype that generates investment.

Well, would you say Internet turned to even more shit now that majority of content is AI generated?

Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

#108

Post by JohnBooty »

shafyy wrote: post #91
JohnBooty wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to know how much this effort is about the government's belief in AI, and how much of it is about supporting the technology sector while using AI as a convenient buzzword. I think, though, that even if LLMs turn out to be a dead-end and don't progress much further... there are a lot of benefits here. One of the US's key strategic advantages is brain drain. We are one of the world's premier destinations for h…

> * One of the US's key strategic advantages is brain drain.* I think the brain drain has peaked. Many people here in Europe don't think much of the US anymore, while 20-30 years ago it was THE place to go. I'm sure many countries like India and China, for whom the US still might be somewhat attractive, are going to go the way of Europeans.

Regardless of how the US ranks in terms of brain drain, and how that rank is trending, it's clearly an area where the government wants to compete.

Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

#109

Post by glitchc »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #99
glitchc wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I for one am not worried about this. We still have trouble building robots that can wash dishes autonomously, let alone build nuclear power plants autonomously. The key word here being autonomously i.e. without human intervention, which is what a superintelligent machine would require to grow into this singularity.

I'm not "worried" about it. Just observing that the race is on. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing as long as the tech is in the hands of "the good guys". I think as soon as you can get an AI to break a task down into smaller tasks, and make itself a todo list, you have the autonomy. You just kick it all off by asking it to improve itself. I doesn't have to "want" anything, it just needs to work.

I think you missed my point. I think we're a long ways away from it being a race against humanity.

Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

#110

Post by int_19h »

shafyy wrote: post #91
JohnBooty wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to know how much this effort is about the government's belief in AI, and how much of it is about supporting the technology sector while using AI as a convenient buzzword. I think, though, that even if LLMs turn out to be a dead-end and don't progress much further... there are a lot of benefits here. One of the US's key strategic advantages is brain drain. We are one of the world's premier destinations for h…

> * One of the US's key strategic advantages is brain drain.* I think the brain drain has peaked. Many people here in Europe don't think much of the US anymore, while 20-30 years ago it was THE place to go. I'm sure many countries like India and China, for whom the US still might be somewhat attractive, are going to go the way of Europeans.

As of this year, the US employment-based green card backlog for citizens of India is such that they're currently still processing applications filed in 2019 for the top EB-1 category (that's "Extraordinary People, Outstanding Researchers and Professors, and Multinational Executives and Managers"), and 2012 for mere PhDs. So the numbers would have to go down a lot for US to even notice.

Speaking as an immigrant myself, so long as there's still noticeable wealth disparity, people will make the jump. The other aspect that makes US specifically especially attractive compared to some others is its family immigration policy - people generally want their family to join them eventually, and US has an unusually large allotment for that compared to many other countries.

Post reply on HN