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GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Post by ben_w »

rglover wrote: post #47
ldjkfkdsjnv wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its inevitable. You can argue about what's possible right now, but I'm not looking at it from that angle. I think these issues will be solved with time

That belief is at odds with the mechanics of how LLMs work. It's not a question of more effort/investment/compute/whatever, it's just a reality of how the underlying systems work (non-deterministic). If you can find a way to make the context window on the scale of the human brain, you may be able to mostly mitigate this. People want us to be at "Her" levels of AI, but we're at a far earlier stage. We can fake certain…

Broadly I agree with your position, but:

> If you can find a way to make the context window on the scale of the human brain, you may be able to mostly mitigate this.

Human brains have a much smaller context window than AI do. We can't pay attention to the last 128,000 concepts that filtered past our sensory systems — our conscious considerations are for about seven things.

There's a lot of stuff that we don't yet understand well enough to reproduce with AI, but context length is the wrong criticism for these models.

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Post by throwaway314155 »

simple10 wrote: post #55

The UI is different in the desktop app for macOS. The ability to edit the schedule task is only available in the web UI for me. I got the best results by not enabling Search the Web when I was trying to create tasks. It confuses the model. But scheduled tasks can successfully search the web. It's flaky, but looks promising!

Less relevant but why isn't canvas available in the desktop app? I thought they had feature parity but it seems not.

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Post by emptiestplace »

echeese wrote: post #42
ttul wrote: post #28

Amazon had an insane number of people working on just the alarms feature in Alexa when they interviewed me for a position years ago. They had entire teams devoted to the tiniest edge case within the realm of scheduling things with Alexa. This is no doubt one of the biggest use cases in computing: getting your computer to tell you what to do at a given time.

Considering my iPhone alarm still sometimes fails to go off (it just shows the alarm screen silently), I'd be inclined to believe you.

https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/9/24340238/apple-iphone-alar...

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Post by throwaway314155 »

ldjkfkdsjnv wrote: post #45
throwaway314155 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bit of advice: you might want to actually use an offering before claiming it is revolutionary.

I've got 15 years of engineering experience, worked on some of the largest distributed systems at FAANG. Its coming

Oh wow good for you! Didn't realize you were a prodigy or that this was a contest. I take it all back. /s

Maybe try some humility. You're not helping yourself with the bragging about frankly underwhelming and common (here) experience.

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Post by arthurcolle »

sensanaty wrote: post #16
arthurcolle wrote: post #12

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DateTime stuff is generally super annoying to debug. Can't fault them too badly. Adding a scheduler is a key enabling idea for a ton of use cases

> Can't fault them too badly The same company that touts their super hyper advanced AI tool that can do everyone's (except the C-level's, apparently) jobs to the world can't figure out how to make a functional cron job happen? And we're giving them a pass, despite the bajillions of dollars that M$ and VC is funneling their way? Quite interesting they wouldn't just throw the "proven to be AGI cause it passes some IQ t…

it would explain the bugs if they used the AI to make the datetime implementation though

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Post by nycdatasci »

Lots of complaints mentioned here. If you have a legitimate need for a product like Tasks that is more fully baked, I’d encourage you to check out lindy.ai (no affiliation). I’ve been using it to send periodic email updates on specific topics and it works flawlessly.

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Post by rglover »

ben_w wrote: post #61
rglover wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That belief is at odds with the mechanics of how LLMs work. It's not a question of more effort/investment/compute/whatever, it's just a reality of how the underlying systems work (non-deterministic). If you can find a way to make the context window on the scale of the human brain, you may be able to mostly mitigate this. People want us to be at "Her" levels of AI, but we're at a far earlier stage. We can fake certain…

Broadly I agree with your position, but: > If you can find a way to make the context window on the scale of the human brain, you may be able to mostly mitigate this. Human brains have a much smaller context window than AI do. We can't pay attention to the last 128,000 concepts that filtered past our sensory systems — our conscious considerations are for about seven things. There's a lot of stuff that we don't yet und…

> context length is the wrong criticism for these models

You're right. What I'm getting at is the overall speed, efficiency, and accuracy of the storage, retrieval, and processing capability of the human brain.

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Post by cruffle_duffle »

gukov wrote: post #51
dmadisetti wrote: post #11

The beta is inconsistently showing (required a few refreshes to get something to show up), but my limited usage of it showed a plethora of issues: - Assumed UTC instead of EST. Corrected it and it still continued to bork - Added random time deltas to my asked times (+2, -10 min). - Couple notifications didn't go off at all - The one that did go off didn't provide a push notification. --- On top of that, only usable w…

You'd think Open AI's dev velocity and quality would be off the charts since they live and breathe "AI." If a company building ChatGPT itself often delivers buggy features then it doesn't bode well for this whole 'AI will eat the world' notion.

According to all the magazines I've been reading, all that is required is to just prompt it with "please fix all of these issues" and give it a bulleted list with a single sentence describing each issue. I mean, it's AI powered and therefore much better than overpaid prima-donna engineers, so obviously it should "just work" and all the problems will get fixed. I'm sure most of the bugs were the result of humans meddling in the AI's brilliant output.

Right now, in fact, my understanding is OpenAI is using their current LLM's to write the next generation ones which will far surpass anything a developer can currently do. Obviously we'll need to keep management around to tell these things what to do, but the days of being a paid software engineer are numbered.

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