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GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Post by cbeach »

arthurcolle wrote: post #12
dmadisetti wrote: post #11

The beta is inconsistently showing (required a few refreshes to get something to show up), but my limited usage of it showed a plethora of issues: - Assumed UTC instead of EST. Corrected it and it still continued to bork - Added random time deltas to my asked times (+2, -10 min). - Couple notifications didn't go off at all - The one that did go off didn't provide a push notification. --- On top of that, only usable w…

DateTime stuff is generally super annoying to debug. Can't fault them too badly. Adding a scheduler is a key enabling idea for a ton of use cases

Agreed on date/time being a frustrating area of software development.

But wouldn't a company like OpenAI use a tick-based system in this architecture? i.e. there's an event emitter that ticks every second (or maybe minute), and consumers that operate based on these events in realtime? Obviously things get complicated due to the time consumed by inference models, but if OpenAI knows the task upfront it could make an allowance for the inference time?

If the logic is event driven and deterministic, it's easy to test and debug, right?

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Post by worldsayshi »

ldjkfkdsjnv wrote: post #18

This is going to eat software, and is the beginning of agents. The orchestrator of these tasks will come, and OpenAI will turn into a general purpose compute system, the endgame of workflow software. Soon there will be a database, and your prompts will be able to directly read and write to an openai hosted postgres instance. And your CRUD app will begin to disappear. Programming will feel pointless

Sure but do they have a moat here? Anyone that can connect to an LLM could make that app.

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Post by rglover »

ldjkfkdsjnv wrote: post #18

This is going to eat software, and is the beginning of agents. The orchestrator of these tasks will come, and OpenAI will turn into a general purpose compute system, the endgame of workflow software. Soon there will be a database, and your prompts will be able to directly read and write to an openai hosted postgres instance. And your CRUD app will begin to disappear. Programming will feel pointless

Possibly, but that's going to require 100% consistent, accurate outputs (tricky as that's not the nature of LLMs).

Otherwise, you'll have a lot of systems dependent on these orchestrators creating hard-to-debug mistakes up and down the pipeline. With software, you can reach a state where it does what you tell it to without having to worry if some model adjustment or API change is going to break the output.

If they solve that, then yes. Otherwise, what I personally expect is a lot of businesses rushing into implementing "agents" only to backpedal later when they start to have negative material effects on bottom lines.

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Post by ldjkfkdsjnv »

worldsayshi wrote: post #22
ldjkfkdsjnv wrote: post #18

This is going to eat software, and is the beginning of agents. The orchestrator of these tasks will come, and OpenAI will turn into a general purpose compute system, the endgame of workflow software. Soon there will be a database, and your prompts will be able to directly read and write to an openai hosted postgres instance. And your CRUD app will begin to disappear. Programming will feel pointless

Sure but do they have a moat here? Anyone that can connect to an LLM could make that app.

Does AWS have a moat on cloud computing?

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Post by speedgoose »

PittleyDunkin wrote: post #2

Where are the release notes? Edit: I suppose they'll be here at some point: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/9624314-model-release-no... These seem like extremely shitty release notes. I have no clue why anybody pays for this model.

It has consistently been the best model for the two last years and only Gemini is perhaps slightly better now.

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Post by ldjkfkdsjnv »

rglover wrote: post #23
ldjkfkdsjnv wrote: post #18

This is going to eat software, and is the beginning of agents. The orchestrator of these tasks will come, and OpenAI will turn into a general purpose compute system, the endgame of workflow software. Soon there will be a database, and your prompts will be able to directly read and write to an openai hosted postgres instance. And your CRUD app will begin to disappear. Programming will feel pointless

Possibly, but that's going to require 100% consistent, accurate outputs (tricky as that's not the nature of LLMs). Otherwise, you'll have a lot of systems dependent on these orchestrators creating hard-to-debug mistakes up and down the pipeline. With software, you can reach a state where it does what you tell it to without having to worry if some model adjustment or API change is going to break the output. If they so…

Its inevitable. You can argue about what's possible right now, but I'm not looking at it from that angle. I think these issues will be solved with time

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Post by zb3 »

worldsayshi wrote: post #22
ldjkfkdsjnv wrote: post #18

This is going to eat software, and is the beginning of agents. The orchestrator of these tasks will come, and OpenAI will turn into a general purpose compute system, the endgame of workflow software. Soon there will be a database, and your prompts will be able to directly read and write to an openai hosted postgres instance. And your CRUD app will begin to disappear. Programming will feel pointless

Sure but do they have a moat here? Anyone that can connect to an LLM could make that app.

Yes, they have the name "ChatGPT". For non-technical people this appears to be the most important thing.

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Post by ttul »

Amazon had an insane number of people working on just the alarms feature in Alexa when they interviewed me for a position years ago. They had entire teams devoted to the tiniest edge case within the realm of scheduling things with Alexa. This is no doubt one of the biggest use cases in computing: getting your computer to tell you what to do at a given time.

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Post by potatoman22 »

dmadisetti wrote: post #11

The beta is inconsistently showing (required a few refreshes to get something to show up), but my limited usage of it showed a plethora of issues: - Assumed UTC instead of EST. Corrected it and it still continued to bork - Added random time deltas to my asked times (+2, -10 min). - Couple notifications didn't go off at all - The one that did go off didn't provide a push notification. --- On top of that, only usable w…

I'd rather have buggy things now than perfect things in a year.

Re: GPT-4o with scheduled tasks (jawbone) is available in beta

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Post by delichon »

danpalmer wrote: post #17
cbeach wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, I've just stumbled on some hints after clicking around.. click on your avatar image (top right) and then click "Tasks" Then there are some UI hints. "Remind me of your mom's birthday on [X] date" Wow, really maximising that $10bn GPU investment!

Glad to see that the thriving 2010 market of TODO list apps will see a resurgence in the AI era.

A todo app that you can write and modify by editing a natural language prompt, and that can parse inputs from the whole web with flexibility and nuance, is not a small thing.
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