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Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

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Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

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Post by jofer »

sreejithr wrote: post #78
edouard-harris wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At capability levels high enough that they credibly pose a risk to national security, they obviously won't be.

How can a language model pose a national security risk?

Less advanced things have been labeled a national security risk.

It's currently quasi-illegal in the US to open source tooling that can be used to rapidly label and train a CNN on satellite imagery. That's export controlled due to some recent-ish changes. The defense world thinks about national security in a much broader sense than the tech world.

See https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/01/06/2019-27...

Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

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Post by ricardobeat »

switchbak wrote: post #31
ricardobeat wrote: post #19

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Automobile manufacturers can bring a plant from foundation to production in under a year, it’s not that far-fetched. A datacenter is orders of magnitude less complex.

My understanding is that it's not the data center that's the problem, it's the energy required to run them. This is especially demanding with us rubbing AI over everything and using insane amounts of energy in the process. Ie: making a new data center is easy. Making new power plants quickly - not so much. But hey, at least there's some renewed political will, better than nothing.

I don’t have sources to back it up, but am reasonably sure these factories consume even more energy than a datacenter, possibly in the GW range. Powering robots, welders, and all kinds of mechanical systems in addition to electronics is very power intensive.

As another data point, Apple has been doing 100% renewables for their DCs since 2014. A wind farm can definitely be built in months, and energy companies will always follow the money. Site selection will definitely take energy availability into account as well.

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Post by jay_kyburz »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #75
jay_kyburz wrote: post #70

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When I step through the logic in my mind, seems likely. Lets make the leap of faith that we can improve our AIs to actually understand code that it's reading and can suggest improvements. Current LLMs can't do it, but perhaps another approach can. I don't think this is a big leap. Might be 10 years, might be 100. It's not unreasonable to think there is a lot of cruft and optimization to be had in our current tech sta…

Let's say all of that happens. Is there any reason to believe that will lead to "a positive feedback loop of self-improvement cycles, each successive; and more intelligent generation appearing more and more rapidly, causing a rapid increase ("explosion") in intelligence which would ultimately result in a powerful superintelligence, qualitatively far surpassing all human intelligence"? Or is it more reasonable to supp…

Yeah sure, there are physical limits, and doing things like mining, manufacturing, and logistics are really slow compared to just thinking. But that's just time and money. I don't see why it wouldn't happen. You build a machine to make machines. First you have 1, then 2, then 4, then 8, then 16 etc.

Then when the earth is used up, you look at space. Space travel is a lot easier because you don't need to keep a meat bag alive.

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Post by notavalleyman »

sreejithr wrote: post #79

Thanks from India! The last time US imposed sanctions on Cryogenic rocket engines, India developed its own indigenous engine. This is the forcing factor other countries need to decouple from US leadership which it just proved cannot be trusted.

I think the purpose of orders like this is not "we'll have the rocket engines and nobody else will".

I think it's more like "we don't want our AI/rocket engines used in ways we'd feel awful about" or "used in ways that hurt us"

It's not really a question of growing or destroying other nations' trust.

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Post by torified »

m4rtink wrote: post #30
EmilStenstrom wrote: post #5

Summary of the concrete actions: 1. Early 2025: Identify Federal sites for AI data centers, clean energy facilities, and geothermal zones. Streamline permitting processes and draft reporting requirements for AI infrastructure. Develop a plan for global collaboration on trusted AI infrastructure. 2. By Mid-2025: Issue solicitations for AI infrastructure projects on Federal sites. Select winning proposals and announce…

Provided all this centralized governement owned and run infra somehow gets built, what it would be actually doing to warrant the expense ? I am quite skeptical in this regard. :P

All that illegal wiretapping has to be analyzed somehow!

Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

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Post by sreejithr »

AyyEye wrote: post #80
sreejithr wrote: post #78

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How can a language model pose a national security risk?

Governments everywhere are racing to attach them to weapons.

Genuine question. Regarding language models specifically, would it really have value to be strapped on weapons?

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Post by glitchc »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #46
m4rtink wrote: post #30

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Provided all this centralized governement owned and run infra somehow gets built, what it would be actually doing to warrant the expense ? I am quite skeptical in this regard. :P

I suspect we are not in a race for a better LLM, but a race to the singularity. "I. J. Good's intelligence explosion model of 1965, an upgradable intelligent agent could eventually enter a positive feedback loop of self-improvement cycles, each successive; and more intelligent generation appearing more and more rapidly, causing a rapid increase ("explosion") in intelligence which would ultimately result in a powerful…

I for one am not worried about this. We still have trouble building robots that can wash dishes autonomously, let alone build nuclear power plants autonomously. The key word here being autonomously i.e. without human intervention, which is what a superintelligent machine would require to grow into this singularity.

Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

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Post by paulddraper »

sreejithr wrote: post #78
edouard-harris wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At capability levels high enough that they credibly pose a risk to national security, they obviously won't be.

How can a language model pose a national security risk?

Encryption
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