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Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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Post by llamaimperative »

Satisfy4400 wrote: post #322
llamaimperative wrote: post #310

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Which rhetoric around Project 2025 specifically? Everything I saw claimed to be in it is actually in it, and Trump’s distance from it was complete bullshit. I haven’t heard anyone say our justice system is primarily profit-driven, and certainly haven’t heard any notable mainstreamers taking that position. One could argue lefties overplay the significance/effects of commercial incentives, but I also think it’s defensi…

Here's one example on prisons from a quick Kagi search: "Currently, many think that the goals of [American Prison System] APS are to rehabilitate inmates and help them function properly in the real world. However, the APS’s high recidivism rate and methods of revenue creation support the conclusion that increasing the prison population may be the real goal of the APS." https://news.law.fordham.edu/jcfl/2018/12/09/the…

The prison system is not “the justice system.”

Yes, if a prison makes money from incarcerating people, its natural goal will be to incarcerate people.

For-profit prisons also have higher chances of recidivism, which bears this out as well.

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Post by NickC25 »

Satisfy4400 wrote: post #294
standardUser wrote: post #282

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You seem to have dodged the larger point that right wing rage is a mainstream phenomenon and a dominant force across television, radio, podcasts and social media, whereas comparably hateful and violent language on the left is mostly only in the margins.

The glorification of Luigi Mangione in some left-leaning circles seems to be a counterpoint to your assertion.

The only divide is pushed from the corporate media who desperately wants 1. this to be a left/right issue and 2. for everyone to stfu because United spends billions of dollars advertising on said media's platforms.

Luigi's selfless act of heroism on the behalf of the American middle and lower classes should be treated as such.

You'll find that United Fraudcare doesn't discriminate on left/right when it comes to denying care to those who need it most. The same can be said for the victims of United denying them services that they paid handsomely for over the course of several years.

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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Post by [deleted] »

Satisfy4400 wrote: post #323
llamaimperative wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which rhetoric around Project 2025 specifically? Everything I saw claimed to be in it is actually in it, and Trump’s distance from it was complete bullshit. I haven’t heard anyone say our justice system is primarily profit-driven, and certainly haven’t heard any notable mainstreamers taking that position. One could argue lefties overplay the significance/effects of commercial incentives, but I also think it’s defensi…

This is from Rep. Jared Huffman: “Project 2025 is more than an idea, it's a dystopian plot that’s already in motion to dismantle our democratic institutions, abolish checks and balances, chip away at church-state separation, and impose a far-right agenda that infringes on basic liberties and violates public will. This is an unprecedented embrace of extremism, fascism, and religious nationalism, orchestrated by the ra…

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Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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Post by NickC25 »

guelo wrote: post #297
spokaneplumb wrote: post #154

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- Huge shift in (near-total abandonment of) antitrust enforcement starting in the late 70s, driven by Chicago school assholes. Centralized economic power. - Fairness Doctrine killed in the 80s, resulting rise of partisan AM radio and, somewhat later, Fox News. - Media ownership concentration rules neutered in early ‘00s (iirc). More centralization, again in the hands of big capital. - None of those rules ever applied…

i remember when Obama took office Rush Limbaugh was worried that he would try to restore the fairness doctrine but it turned out Obama did nothing. Democrats never acted like they were in a battle while Republicans were executing on a media domination plan over decades to dismantle the propaganda safeguards put in place by post war politicians.

That's because despite the right wing propaganda that will tell you Obama is a staunch far-left communist, Barack Obama is a committed centrist, and a representative of the Corporate Party.

He did nothing because he had no interest in doing anything to limit corporate influence or power. They put him in power, after all.

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

DonHopkins wrote: post #277
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #241

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it's your data, not mine. I just did the math on it.

Your data is not so much math, but more a tangled macramé of logical gymnastics, pretzel logic, twisted topology, knot theory, and Marlinespike Seamanship. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knot_theory https://corpslakes.erdc.dren.mil/employees/motorboat/pdfs/Ma...

can you help me on the math between 8% and 11%? I'm showing that as .11/.08 = 1.375 or "37% higher".

I generalized this to #1/#2 = % difference between the #1 and #2. It's not so much logic as it is arithmetic, but let me know if you still disagree.

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

standardUser wrote: post #285
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #232

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You don't need to write the treatise because the era of that kind of "logic" winning elections is over. (ie the left being able to label whole political movements as bad because certain bad people associate themselves with it)

Who are the good white supremacists?

yeah so you're doing the same thing. the era when people fall for the rhetorical trick of labeling a group as [really bad thing] in order to make them not want to associate with that group is over.

you'll just have to compete on ideas instead of word games now.

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Post by flir »

CM30 wrote: post #283
flir wrote: post #233

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BoingBoing is still very much made in Doctorow's image. Michael Moore is an earlier example. Not suggesting equivalence, in fact I would be really interested to hear theories as to why right-wing polemicists are so much more popular (and numerous) than left-wing polemicists. On the face of it, there are a lot of left-wing things to be justifiably outraged about (especially right now). So why isn't left-wing outrage r…

I suspect part of it may be due to resources. The far right commentator has a pretty solid career path ahead of them, and support from large backers who find that far right beliefs don't threaten their profits. As a result, someone on the right who gets into this sort of content can get funding from both a certain percentage of billionaires/large companies, plus the right wing media machine and potentially foreign ad…

Good thoughts. But I don't buy it; Capitalism eats everything. Che Guevara t-shirts are the ur-example, but it took capitalism about 15 minutes to turn grunge from a bunch of kids hanging out in Seattle basements to worldwide catwalk fodder.

If there was money to be made, someone would be bankrolling it.

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Post by [deleted] »

bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #86
drawkward wrote: post #75

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Cybernetics has a lot (everything?) to do with feedback loops; the word itself comes from the Greek for "steersman". If you have a long feedback loop in a process that is supposed to self govern, it would be potentially deadly to the equilibrium.

Also the etymology of kubernetes

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Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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Post by wussboy »

griomnib wrote: post #327
iambateman wrote: post #4

First of all – the essay is phenomenal and his book is available online for free – https://www.cambridge.org/core/elements/youtube-apparatus/36... > “Communication within the YouTube Apparatus has no meaning.” The rapid feedback loop between creators and audiences (as constructed by platform metrics) means that the system more and more responds to itself. Rather than trying to go somewhere (as is the case with politi…

I think this is a bit of a warped view as this is true for the biggest channels , but the medium and long tail on YouTube has a lot of substance in computer science, engineering, geology, climate science, and much more. When I was a kid there was Mr Wizard, and then Bill Nye, but it was far more limited than what I watch with my kid. The land of videos with <1M views is full of gems - and many of the top notch scienc…

I disagree. I think those things you mentioned as being in the long tail are just things that you like and that you think have value. But there's no reason in theory that the same radicalization process can't be happening with those areas as well.

And if it was happening, what would it look like?

I have a theory, but I don't want to give the game away yet.

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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Post by Satisfy4400 »

llamaimperative wrote: post #331
Satisfy4400 wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's one example on prisons from a quick Kagi search: "Currently, many think that the goals of [American Prison System] APS are to rehabilitate inmates and help them function properly in the real world. However, the APS’s high recidivism rate and methods of revenue creation support the conclusion that increasing the prison population may be the real goal of the APS." https://news.law.fordham.edu/jcfl/2018/12/09/the…

The prison system is not “the justice system.” Yes, if a prison makes money from incarcerating people, its natural goal will be to incarcerate people. For-profit prisons also have higher chances of recidivism, which bears this out as well.

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2023/03/07/courts-profit-and-th...

"Daniel Hatcher used to work as an attorney for Maryland Legal Aid. He says he's seen American courts turn into a system that's more interested in profits than justice.

'California is pursuing billions in fines and fees, and Alabama, multiple prosecutors' offices in Alabama generate 70% of their total funding solely by the pursuit of these court ordered fines and fees against the poor,' Daniel Hatcher says.

Hatcher says that when profit becomes the point, families become targets of the very justice system that is meant to protect."

The suggestion that profit is "the point" of California's criminal fines and fees seems absolutely wild to me.

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