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Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

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Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

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Post by switchbak »

ricardobeat wrote: post #19
rayiner wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That schedule is impossible. Given the amount of power data centers take, and the fact that the government is new to building them, the environmental review process and lawsuits will take years.

Automobile manufacturers can bring a plant from foundation to production in under a year, it’s not that far-fetched. A datacenter is orders of magnitude less complex.

My understanding is that it's not the data center that's the problem, it's the energy required to run them. This is especially demanding with us rubbing AI over everything and using insane amounts of energy in the process.

Ie: making a new data center is easy. Making new power plants quickly - not so much. But hey, at least there's some renewed political will, better than nothing.

Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

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Post by DannyBee »

rayiner wrote: post #10
EmilStenstrom wrote: post #5

Summary of the concrete actions: 1. Early 2025: Identify Federal sites for AI data centers, clean energy facilities, and geothermal zones. Streamline permitting processes and draft reporting requirements for AI infrastructure. Develop a plan for global collaboration on trusted AI infrastructure. 2. By Mid-2025: Issue solicitations for AI infrastructure projects on Federal sites. Select winning proposals and announce…

That schedule is impossible. Given the amount of power data centers take, and the fact that the government is new to building them, the environmental review process and lawsuits will take years.

I agree in general, but equipment mainly due to lead times and not permit/etc times.

Remember it's federal land, so they can't be held to state permitting or building codes, etc, only what they choose to (IE if their agency adopted it explicitly)

Having seen lots of datacenters constructed over the years - it's tractable in terms of the bureaucracy parts if they want it to be - because they can mostly ignore them.

So for me it breaks down like:

Building construction, it could be done.

Power provision - hard to say without knowing the sites. some would be clear yes, some would be clear no. Probably more nos than yeses.

Filling it with AI related anything at a useful scale - no, the chips don't exist unless you steal them from someoene else, or you are putting older surplus stuff in.

Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

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Post by AyyEye »

I wonder if open models are even going to be allowed.

> require adherence to technical standards and guidelines for cyber, supply-chain, and physical security for protecting and controlling any facilities, equipment, devices, systems, data, and other property, including AI model weights

> plans for commercializing or otherwise deploying or advancing deployment of appropriate intellectual property, including AI model weights

Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

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Post by JKCalhoun »

api_or_ipa wrote: post #22

It's interesting to see the federal government taking a strong industrial policy approach to AI through this executive order as well as physical computing via the CHIPS act. Couple concerns: - I loath to believe in silver bullets. The executive branch seems to believe that investing in AI (note: the order, despite the extensive definitions, leaves Artificial Intelligence undefined) is the solution to US global leader…

Is the U.S. responding to recent moves in the U.K. to make a national effort in this field (the U.S. does not want to be an also-ran)? Are they responding to the efforts in China?

Do they know something more than we do with regard to the efficacy of current or soon-to-come AI? Or is it purely a speculative business/economic move?

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Post by [deleted] »

m4rtink wrote: post #30
EmilStenstrom wrote: post #5

Summary of the concrete actions: 1. Early 2025: Identify Federal sites for AI data centers, clean energy facilities, and geothermal zones. Streamline permitting processes and draft reporting requirements for AI infrastructure. Develop a plan for global collaboration on trusted AI infrastructure. 2. By Mid-2025: Issue solicitations for AI infrastructure projects on Federal sites. Select winning proposals and announce…

Provided all this centralized governement owned and run infra somehow gets built, what it would be actually doing to warrant the expense ? I am quite skeptical in this regard. :P

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Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

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Post by Terr_ »

m4rtink wrote: post #30
EmilStenstrom wrote: post #5

Summary of the concrete actions: 1. Early 2025: Identify Federal sites for AI data centers, clean energy facilities, and geothermal zones. Streamline permitting processes and draft reporting requirements for AI infrastructure. Develop a plan for global collaboration on trusted AI infrastructure. 2. By Mid-2025: Issue solicitations for AI infrastructure projects on Federal sites. Select winning proposals and announce…

Provided all this centralized governement owned and run infra somehow gets built, what it would be actually doing to warrant the expense ? I am quite skeptical in this regard. :P

Well, it would funnel tax dollars to already-established companies that don't need the subsidies. :p

I have some sympathy for certain domestic capabilities (e.g. chip fabrication) but this "AI" bubble cross-infecting government policy is frustrating to watch.

Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

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Post by citizenpaul »

EmilStenstrom wrote: post #5

Summary of the concrete actions: 1. Early 2025: Identify Federal sites for AI data centers, clean energy facilities, and geothermal zones. Streamline permitting processes and draft reporting requirements for AI infrastructure. Develop a plan for global collaboration on trusted AI infrastructure. 2. By Mid-2025: Issue solicitations for AI infrastructure projects on Federal sites. Select winning proposals and announce…

Why in reading that do I only see "enact police state"

Re: Executive order on advancing United States leadership in AI infrastructure

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Post by michaelt »

digdugdirk wrote: post #7
EmilStenstrom wrote: post #5

Summary of the concrete actions: 1. Early 2025: Identify Federal sites for AI data centers, clean energy facilities, and geothermal zones. Streamline permitting processes and draft reporting requirements for AI infrastructure. Develop a plan for global collaboration on trusted AI infrastructure. 2. By Mid-2025: Issue solicitations for AI infrastructure projects on Federal sites. Select winning proposals and announce…

That's actually a wildly short timeframe for a large political plan like this. Going from idea to breaking ground on a massive infrastructure project in a calendar year? It'll be interesting to see if this turns into a political/legal quagmire or not, since it's ostensibly aligned with both parties (donors) interests.

Depends on the implementation details.

If you could identify, say, a defunct aluminium smelting plant?

It'll probably have access to 30 megawatts of power. You'd have to give nvidia quite a lot of money get enough GPUs to consume that.

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