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New York starts enforcing $15 broadband law that ISPs tried to kill

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Re: New York starts enforcing $15 broadband law that ISPs tried to kill

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but the Internet is free once the infrastructures base costs have been paid.

This is pretty delusional. Somebody has to run the network. Employees need salaries. Things break and wear out. Customers need service. Billing isn’t free.

have you read about the hunger riots of rome and byzanz? the panopticon has to watch. bread and games are free or else...

if you ventured into farming or gamedev to get rich.. bad decisions all the way .

Re: New York starts enforcing $15 broadband law that ISPs tried to kill

#102

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This does not increase the cost to ISPs. It does marginally decrease their profits. A profit is not a cost, and despite what finance bros think lower profits are also not a cost. It is perfectly possible to supply 1000Mbps symmetrical fiber service to end users for $20/mo because numerous self-sufficient non-profit municipal broadband organizations in the United States are doing just that. This is 2.5% the capacity f…

Can you tell the ISPs in my neck of the woods (Brussels, supposed capital of Europe) to get off their ass and offer 1G symmetic fiber for any price.

For any price, I'm sure you can arrange for fiber construction, but it's not going to be cheap. From personal experience, not many people are willing to pay tens of thousands of dollars on fiber construction to get 1g symmetric, and then pay a hefty sum monthly.

Maybe from someone like this.

https://www.belcenter.be/en/blog/tout-savoir-sur-la-fibre-de...

Re: New York starts enforcing $15 broadband law that ISPs tried to kill

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is pretty delusional. Somebody has to run the network. Employees need salaries. Things break and wear out. Customers need service. Billing isn’t free.

have you read about the hunger riots of rome and byzanz? the panopticon has to watch. bread and games are free or else... if you ventured into farming or gamedev to get rich.. bad decisions all the way .

I fail to see how the above comment is in any way relevant to the discussion of this thread.

Re: New York starts enforcing $15 broadband law that ISPs tried to kill

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> The New York law requiring Internet providers to offer cheap plans to people with low incomes will take effect on Wednesday this week following a multi-year court battle in which the state defeated broadband industry lobby groups. I don't like these types of mandates because it distorts the market. Politicians get to say "we provided X people with internet service and we didn't use a dollar of tax payers' money". W…

This does not increase the cost to ISPs. It does marginally decrease their profits. A profit is not a cost, and despite what finance bros think lower profits are also not a cost. It is perfectly possible to supply 1000Mbps symmetrical fiber service to end users for $20/mo because numerous self-sufficient non-profit municipal broadband organizations in the United States are doing just that. This is 2.5% the capacity f…

It's a significant, not marginal reduction in profits.

This money is around 2 customer care calls. Or 0.2 truck rolls.

Re: New York starts enforcing $15 broadband law that ISPs tried to kill

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This does not increase the cost to ISPs. It does marginally decrease their profits. A profit is not a cost, and despite what finance bros think lower profits are also not a cost. It is perfectly possible to supply 1000Mbps symmetrical fiber service to end users for $20/mo because numerous self-sufficient non-profit municipal broadband organizations in the United States are doing just that. This is 2.5% the capacity f…

Can you tell the ISPs in my neck of the woods (Brussels, supposed capital of Europe) to get off their ass and offer 1G symmetic fiber for any price.

I'm sure if you pay for DIA they'll bring it to you.

Re: New York starts enforcing $15 broadband law that ISPs tried to kill

#106
post #5

> The New York law requiring Internet providers to offer cheap plans to people with low incomes will take effect on Wednesday this week following a multi-year court battle in which the state defeated broadband industry lobby groups. I don't like these types of mandates because it distorts the market. Politicians get to say "we provided X people with internet service and we didn't use a dollar of tax payers' money". W…

Problem solved - AT&T just announced that they're no longer supplying home internet in NY.
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