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In the belly of the MrBeast

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Post by antoniojtorres »

ravenstine wrote: post #19
infecto wrote: post #9

Not entirely related to MrBeast but related to YouTube. I genuinely miss the older algorithm where after watching a video you would go progressively further down a hole of videos somehow related to the one you just watched. It was quite entertaining and really uncovered fascinating videos.

I don't. My experience with their algorithm between 2014 and ~2020 was that autoplay would quickly turn into a form of video diarrhea composed largely of Jordan Peterson and Lex Fridman. Was pretty bizarre because I only watched a few Peterson videos in the beginning, mostly his "Maps Of Meaning" videos which I think are mostly poppycock, and ever since then YouTube would quickly bring me back to his content even tho…

This was at the center of controversy many years ago, described as a sort of alt-right pipeline. I believe there are studies about that exact algorithm behavior on youtube. My understanding is that it was changed to loop back around to trusted content sooner.

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Post by cool_dude85 »

lalalandland wrote: post #198
Salgat wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For people confused like me on what intensification means, it means maximizing the amount of attention and interaction that occurs. On Youtube this would be the metrics that drive engagement, including views, likes, comments, shares, and watch time. The issue is that the content focuses on driving engagement at the expense of communicating ideas with coherence and depth, for example by sensationalizing or oversimplif…

The creators publication frequency is also an important factor. If you don't put out content at least once per week you fall off the recommended and lose a lot of views. Once your content is shallow, simple and without reflection, you are trapped in a hamster wheel of click bait vapidness.

Is this accurate in all cases? Isn't Jenny Nicholson one of the bigger YouTubers, with videos coming out maybe once or twice a year?

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

bilbo0s wrote: post #110
Salgat wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For people confused like me on what intensification means, it means maximizing the amount of attention and interaction that occurs. On Youtube this would be the metrics that drive engagement, including views, likes, comments, shares, and watch time. The issue is that the content focuses on driving engagement at the expense of communicating ideas with coherence and depth, for example by sensationalizing or oversimplif…

I think the above commentor is right, in my opinion, intensification shapes our world into being very reactionary, with only a superficial understanding of issues In fairness, this is how the world has always been. In the US for instance, back when there were only 3 networks and a channel for public tv, people were "reactionary, with only a superficial understanding of issues" .

That's such a wrong take. Sunday TV was so boring because it was filled with panels of knowledgeable people calmly talking about subjects they were extremely knowledgeable about in calm, rational productive manners. Todays panels start with known battle lines already drawn populated with non-knowledgeable grifters.

TV was also required to air a minimal amount of educational television for children under 16 during the day. I learn way more on days home sick (latchkey kid) than I'd learn at days in school.

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

llamaimperative wrote: post #100
RajT88 wrote: post #77

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Left leaning folks are swept up in rage machines too. Leaf through the BoingBoing BBS sometime to get a sense for it.

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>There are actual [people that I label with bad labels] just one or two hops away from the President!

My latest understanding of the US political landscape is that 2008-2024 the left got very adept at defining things as bad and then attacking those things. In 2016 the right started to learn to counter that, and in 2024 that finally died. In other words, you'll need to try harder than just calling people nazis.

You're getting downvoted because people don't buy that 1) tens of millions of their fellow Americans are lunatics and 2) that the left doesn't have their own moral failings.

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Post by TimTheTinker »

llamaimperative wrote: post #189
davrosthedalek wrote: post #181

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The murder of the united healthcare CEO, or more specifically, the positive reaction towards it, seems rather associated with the left, doesn't it? People who want a certain party to be in power should hold that party to a higher standard. Independent of the party. Being "better than the others" is not good enough.

No, not really. Harris vs Trump voters who... Approve: 5-11% vs 2-8% Neither approve nor disapprove: 6-12% vs 7-13% Disapprove: 65-71% vs 72-78% Not sure: 6-12% vs 4-10% Not a super substantial difference. The outrage machine wins again! Source: https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Reactions_to...

That data is super helpful.

From browsing Reddit, my impression was that the left strongly approved.

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

llamaimperative wrote: post #209
geodel wrote: post #199

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> but it is very obviously the case they are not. It not obvious and also doesn't seem true at all. Still one may continue to investigate with this assumption but then result will neither be truth or much useful.

Yeah, it really is obvious. Here's one excellent example: the dominant right wing media apparatus knowingly engaging in a conspiratorial lie that fetched them a $787 million punishment. https://apnews.com/article/fox-news-dominion-lawsuit-trial-t...

Here is an excellent example that many people think you're wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_elections

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Post by llamaimperative »

ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #224
llamaimperative wrote: post #100

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>There are actual [people that I label with bad labels] just one or two hops away from the President! My latest understanding of the US political landscape is that 2008-2024 the left got very adept at defining things as bad and then attacking those things. In 2016 the right started to learn to counter that, and in 2024 that finally died. In other words, you'll need to try harder than just calling people nazis. You're…

Theocracy is bad and neo-Nazism is bad. Trump had dinner with Nick Fuentes, who 1) is an open anti-semite, 2) praises Adolf Hitler, and 3) calls for white ethnonationalism.

I don't need to write a treatise to explain why this is bad.

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Post by llamaimperative »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #225
llamaimperative wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, not really. Harris vs Trump voters who... Approve: 5-11% vs 2-8% Neither approve nor disapprove: 6-12% vs 7-13% Disapprove: 65-71% vs 72-78% Not sure: 6-12% vs 4-10% Not a super substantial difference. The outrage machine wins again! Source: https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Reactions_to...

That data is super helpful. From browsing Reddit, my impression was that the left strongly approved.

Terminally online not-rich people across the spectrum approved. Other not-rich people seem to land in the "vaguely disapprove" realm IMO. Obviously the plutocrats are all terrified and think it's the worst crime ever.

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Post by artur_makly »

Dhar Mann’s channel is another interesting cultural signal of what kind of content tweens are being groomed with: https://youtube.com/@dharmann?si=vsNv2M2S7LfbVvVt

What is abhorrently revolting is the total amount of “Gold Digger” videos +100 and counting..

https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=76583c995a4c1c88&rlz=1...

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

llamaimperative wrote: post #189
davrosthedalek wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The murder of the united healthcare CEO, or more specifically, the positive reaction towards it, seems rather associated with the left, doesn't it? People who want a certain party to be in power should hold that party to a higher standard. Independent of the party. Being "better than the others" is not good enough.

No, not really. Harris vs Trump voters who... Approve: 5-11% vs 2-8% Neither approve nor disapprove: 6-12% vs 7-13% Disapprove: 65-71% vs 72-78% Not sure: 6-12% vs 4-10% Not a super substantial difference. The outrage machine wins again! Source: https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Reactions_to...

so the data shows that the left's approval of the murder is 37% higher on the low end up to a max of 5x higher (depending on how the confidence intervals map to reality).

And that that the left is anywhere from 20% to 3x more likely to be undecided about the morality of an assassination.

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