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Re: A laptop stand made from a single sheet of recycled paper

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Post by lupire »

latexr wrote: post #134
blharr wrote: post #102

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I mean, it's a good idea, I just wouldn't buy the one in Korea to get shipped over here. I don't get the cynicism, someone in Korea had this idea and made the product, probably intended for other people in Korea where the shipping isn't an issue?

> probably intended for other people in Korea The seller is called “grape lab”, with a “g” as the logo, and “Sustainable Design Lab” as the tagline. Everything in English. How is that “intended for other people in Korea”?

It's origami, so making it in USA wouldn't fit our racist ideas about what makes a folded-paper design valuable.

USA folded paper is cheap cardboard. Asian folded paper is origami.

Re: A laptop stand made from a single sheet of recycled paper

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Post by lupire »

latexr wrote: post #130
snowfarthing wrote: post #117

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I find this particular notion to be rather weird. I cannot see how it's a "waste" if something's fed to animals instead of humans!

Despite the quotes, the person you’re replying to didn’t use the word “waste” nor have they claimed using that fruit to feed animals would be bad. In short, they didn’t make the argument you’re against. However, in the interest of good faith discussion, I’ll offer a rebuttal to the argument you are making. The logic applies when (and this is very important) that food goes to farm animals which will be slaughtered of…

Inefficiency is waste

Re: A laptop stand made from a single sheet of recycled paper

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Post by Qwertious »

yathern wrote: post #145
gruez wrote: post #136

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>However there's another company that buys cheap land from farmers in the Amazon, with cheaper labor, ships it up via freight, and sells it for marginally cheaper. The costs in the latter example are largely driven by transportation - and while cheaper, has a significantly larger carbon impact. How does this apply to recycling though? Landfills in developed countries have little, if any externalities, because they're…

Largely I agree - landfills are not nearly as bad as people assume based on aesthetics and history. In fact, putting plastic in the ground is essentially a form of carbon sequestration. I just disagree with the logic of "If recycling is more expensive, isn't recycling the wrong thing". There's many situations where prices do not correlate with environmental impact. In the case of recycling, I haven't done the researc…

>In fact, putting plastic in the ground is essentially a form of carbon sequestration.

Only if it doesn't offgas. Or leech.

Re: A laptop stand made from a single sheet of recycled paper

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Post by Qwertious »

murderfs wrote: post #120
davidodio wrote: post #111

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“Costs” often ignore externalities like environmental damage and inequality. Landfilling or dumping plastic may be cheaper now, but it shifts the true cost — centuries of pollution —onto vulnerable communities today. There is a reason the clothing dumps are in Ghana and Chile, rather than wealthier nations like the US or Germany. If the price to companies profiting from plastics included exteralities I could possibly…

The reason the clothing dumps exist is greenwashing. If we weren't pretending that reusing clothing is meaningful to the environment, we'd just burn the clothing locally.

You'd think that cotton could be upcycled - the Soviet Union notably upcycled cotton, by turning it into the duraplast (made of compressed heated old cotton and plastic resin) that made up the body panels of their Trabant cars.

Of course, the Soviet Union doing something doesn't automatically mean it's economical or sensible, but at least in premise it should be useful for something.

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Post by vladde »

vismit2000 wrote: post #222
xelxebar wrote: post #186

Looks like a Miura fold: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miura_fold . When going to theme parks and the like, I love folding the physical maps like this. It's nice that the maps stay rigid when fully open, and the single-motion for opening and closing is glorious.

Miura-ori fold covered very nicely in this video at timestamp 34:10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p02DtmyQhU

That whole video is really neat, love the guy teaching!

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Post by busyalx »

eleveriven wrote: post #208
xelxebar wrote: post #186

Looks like a Miura fold: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miura_fold . When going to theme parks and the like, I love folding the physical maps like this. It's nice that the maps stay rigid when fully open, and the single-motion for opening and closing is glorious.

I think I spent too much time watching the video of it folding and unfolding.

Same :)

Re: A laptop stand made from a single sheet of recycled paper

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Post by The_Colonel »

radlad wrote: post #93
croisillon wrote: post #91

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that's something i never understood: why do they sell peelers with a movable part? like we are meant to peel in curves and expect the knife to follow the curve beautifully? the fixed ones are easier to use and easier to clean!

The hinge allows you to peel in both directions (i.e. forwards and backwards across your potato/carrot/etc. without lifting the peeler.) It also means it can track a rough surface more easily. I haven't had any issues with the hinge, and I use a dishwasher for cleaning - what issues have you run into?

Which also makes it usable for left-handers.

Re: A laptop stand made from a single sheet of recycled paper

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

feistypharit wrote: post #230
radlad wrote: post #87

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This is a bit of a random place to mention it, but while I very much like OXO goods, IKEA makes the best (in my opinion) potato peeler for $5 - cheaper than anything OXO makes: https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/ikea-365-vaerdefull-potato-peel...

The ikea one mentions peeling asparagus. Is that a thing?

Yes, sometimes, especially on larger spears. The skin can get tough and/or stringy and some folks really don't like it.

Re: A laptop stand made from a single sheet of recycled paper

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Post by astrolx »

feistypharit wrote: post #230
radlad wrote: post #87

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This is a bit of a random place to mention it, but while I very much like OXO goods, IKEA makes the best (in my opinion) potato peeler for $5 - cheaper than anything OXO makes: https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/ikea-365-vaerdefull-potato-peel...

The ikea one mentions peeling asparagus. Is that a thing?

Yes, not the wild asparagus but the ones you can shop have thick hard stalks at the base!

Re: A laptop stand made from a single sheet of recycled paper

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Post by dTal »

xp84 wrote: post #160
bko wrote: post #96

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If recycling is more expensive, isn't recycling the wrong thing? The price isn't some random number attached to an activity. It captures the various costs associated with it and is helpful in directing behaviors for this very reason. Recycling is more expensive, it likely means that there are associated costs (e.g. transportation, sorting, cleaning, processing, etc) that make it less economical than just throwing it…

In terms of something like paper, you're likely right. There's a weird popular perception that when you go to the grocery store and get 4 paper bags, somewhere a logger fells a beautiful 1000-year-old sequoia to grind into paper pulp, when the reality is that the same managed forest land is replanted over and over with fast-growing trees and harvested and replanted as soon as they're ready. The more demand for paper,…

> i can think of much worse things than taking up more of our land with CO2-slurping trees

This does not have the effect on atmospheric CO2 that you implying, unless the resulting paper is deeply buried - not incinerated, or left to rot, or biodegraded in any way.

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